If this pope is so open and encouraging to criticism, perhaps someone can explain why, after more than five years, he has still not answered the Dubia presented to him by four respected cardinals. If he is open enough to suggest that his critics "do it to my face", then why, why, WHY have the pleas of the surviving cardinals to meet with this pope been ignored. And they don't even want to criticize him, they just want to ask him some very legitimate and long overdue questions.
Francistheater isn't very entertaining any more--not that it ever was.
The biggest criticism of the pope from the beginning and from those who want clarity from the Vicar of Christ, the Bishop of Rome, the Holy Father (Papa/Pope) of the Church is clarity. This pope does not bring clarity but incoherence. That’s the problem. But below the surface of that problem may well be a mental deficit and psychology issues. The very things that this pope calls out, in terms of talking too much (gossip, chatter), being uncharitable (calling people names, backwardism, rigidity, pickle-pepper faces, screwing like rabbits, eating shit, and evidently the f bomb, are sins against charity.
Perhaps there are intellectual deficits and dementia? Something organic or the worst of two cultural deficits found in Italy and Argentina? Political deficits.
Also, this pope is polarizing to the nth degree. He provokes anger and rage in many people, from individuals, to groups of people to entire nations. You have Ganswain, Muller and Pell, the most notable, angered and alienated, you had Chile and his disastrous trip there, an entire nation saying “NO” to him. You have Ukraine in a fit so much so they don’t really want him to come.
I really think this pope cannot govern as he hasn’t the skills or temperament.
This Pope is cruel, obstinate, and an empty cassock. I am not much into conspiracy theories of either the right or left, but with this guy, you really have to wonder.
The fact that Pope Francis got this far up the ecclesiastical ladder shows that the process for the selection of bishops is deeply flawed. And it is not just Pope Francis, e.g. "Cardinal" McCarrick and a host of others. There was plenty of information to nix Francis as a bishop, including the opinion of his Jesuit superiors in Argentina. I think if the Church truly believes in "subsidiarity" it should probably reconsider the top down process we currently have. The Church should look back into her history to determine if there once upon a time a better way.
Father McDonald said..."The biggest criticism of the pope from the beginning and from those who want clarity from the Vicar of Christ, the Bishop of Rome, the Holy Father (Papa/Pope) of the Church is clarity. This pope does not bring clarity but incoherence."
In my diocese, beginning with our bishop, who teaches in communion with Pope Francis, there is wonderful clarity in regard to that which Pope Francis has taught throughout our Holy Father's Pontificate.
Father McDonald, that is not the case in regard to your diocese?
I could cite one Cardinal and bishop after another who has praised Pope Francis as a solid teacher of the Faith.
What is interesting is that beginning with Pope Benedict XVI, so-called leading "conservatives," some who are supposed "enemies" of our Holy Father, have praised Pope Francis as a solid defender, and promoter, of the Faith.
Additional examples:
-- Cardinal Pell said of Pope Francis: "He’s a completely faithful exponent of Christ’s teaching and the Church’s tradition."
-- Cardinal Sarah said Pope Francis "openly and vigorously defends Church teaching on contraception, abortion, homosexuality, reproductive technologies, the education of children and much more."
Mark, for the sake of academic and intellectual integrity, you need to think a bit more "critically" and examine the fact independent of the sources you quote.
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That is not new. Pope Francis has always been open to frank, dialogue/feedback.
Cardinal Pell, for example, had noted more than once that Pope Francis is a great listener who favors frank, honest dialogue.
Pope Francis, from this week's interview: “The only thing I ask is that they do it to my face because that’s how we all grow, right?”
It is unfortunate that many who have criticized him...actually, spewed venom at him...have lacked the guts to have done so to Pope Francis' face.
To return to Cardinal Pell.
He noted that he had enjoyed frank, honest, discussions with Pope Francis. But Cardinal Pell declared he obeyed the Pope's decisions.
Cardinal Pell:
"The papacy is something, I believe, is willed by Christ and we have to respect the office, reverence the man and obey the papal directions."
Frank, but respectful dialogue with Pope Francis...along with obedience to the Pope's decisions.
That is a beautiful thing.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Father McDonald, you remind me of Pope Francis in that you allow for frank, honest discussion.
You have even tolerated vicious attacks against you without having banned said nasty folks from your blog.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
"...I welcome this kind of examination, because people have got to know whether or not their president is a crook. Well I am NOT a crook!"
-President Richard M. Nixon
If this pope is so open and encouraging to criticism, perhaps someone can explain why, after more than five years, he has still not answered the Dubia presented to him by four respected cardinals. If he is open enough to suggest that his critics "do it to my face", then why, why, WHY have the pleas of the surviving cardinals to meet with this pope been ignored. And they don't even want to criticize him, they just want to ask him some very legitimate and long overdue questions.
Francistheater isn't very entertaining any more--not that it ever was.
The biggest criticism of the pope from the beginning and from those who want clarity from the Vicar of Christ, the Bishop of Rome, the Holy Father (Papa/Pope) of the Church is clarity. This pope does not bring clarity but incoherence. That’s the problem. But below the surface of that problem may well be a mental deficit and psychology issues. The very things that this pope calls out, in terms of talking too much (gossip, chatter), being uncharitable (calling people names, backwardism, rigidity, pickle-pepper faces, screwing like rabbits, eating shit, and evidently the f bomb, are sins against charity.
Perhaps there are intellectual deficits and dementia? Something organic or the worst of two cultural deficits found in Italy and Argentina? Political deficits.
There is something amiss and it is serious.
Also, this pope is polarizing to the nth degree. He provokes anger and rage in many people, from individuals, to groups of people to entire nations. You have Ganswain, Muller and Pell, the most notable, angered and alienated, you had Chile and his disastrous trip there, an entire nation saying “NO” to him. You have Ukraine in a fit so much so they don’t really want him to come.
I really think this pope cannot govern as he hasn’t the skills or temperament.
This Pope is cruel, obstinate, and an empty cassock. I am not much into conspiracy theories of either the right or left, but with this guy, you really have to wonder.
The fact that Pope Francis got this far up the ecclesiastical ladder shows that the process for the selection of bishops is deeply flawed. And it is not just Pope Francis, e.g. "Cardinal" McCarrick and a host of others. There was plenty of information to nix Francis as a bishop, including the opinion of his Jesuit superiors in Argentina. I think if the Church truly believes in "subsidiarity" it should probably reconsider the top down process we currently have. The Church should look back into her history to determine if there once upon a time a better way.
Father McDonald said..."The biggest criticism of the pope from the beginning and from those who want clarity from the Vicar of Christ, the Bishop of Rome, the Holy Father (Papa/Pope) of the Church is clarity. This pope does not bring clarity but incoherence."
In my diocese, beginning with our bishop, who teaches in communion with Pope Francis, there is wonderful clarity in regard to that which Pope Francis has taught throughout our Holy Father's Pontificate.
Father McDonald, that is not the case in regard to your diocese?
I could cite one Cardinal and bishop after another who has praised Pope Francis as a solid teacher of the Faith.
What is interesting is that beginning with Pope Benedict XVI, so-called leading "conservatives," some who are supposed "enemies" of our Holy Father, have praised Pope Francis as a solid defender, and promoter, of the Faith.
Additional examples:
-- Cardinal Pell said of Pope Francis: "He’s a completely faithful exponent of Christ’s teaching and the Church’s tradition."
-- Cardinal Sarah said Pope Francis "openly and vigorously defends Church teaching on contraception, abortion, homosexuality, reproductive technologies, the education of children and much more."
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Mark, for the sake of academic and intellectual integrity, you need to think a bit more "critically" and examine the fact independent of the sources you quote.
Hear those crickets, Father?
That's the sound of everyone ignoring Mark Thomas' juvenile pablum.
I invite you to join us.
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