Several Cardinals, some now dead, asked Pope Francis, first in private and then publicly, to respond to certain “dubia” (questions) they had about some of his confused teachings. They did so face-to-face asking for a face-to-face meeting and answer and they received nothing, nothing, nothing.
Father James Martin, SJ a Catholic dissident as it concerns Catholic sexual morality applied to homosexuals, was confused by something Pope Francis had said in his AP interview, where he appeared he said the orientation toward same sex attractions is a sin and not just sexual acts that are unnatural and also sinful. This was in the context of the pope saying the state should not criminalize unnatural acts.
Thus Fr. Martin writes to Pope Francis with his three “dubia” or questions and rather quickly, in a day or two, the pope responds to his questions in a hand written note!!!!
Here are Martin’s three questions and how the pope answered him IMMEDIATELY!
This is from a google translation of the Italian used:
Father Martin, SJ, asks:
Holy Father, thank you for your strong call to decriminalize homosexuality.
1. Why did you decide to say it at this moment?
2. There seems to have been some confusion over this comment, "Being gay is a sin," which, of course, is not part of the church's teaching. I got the impression that you were simply repeating what others might hypothetically say. So, you think that just being gay is a sin?
3. What would you say to Catholic bishops who still support the criminalization of homosexuality?
Pope Francis’ immediate answer with a hand written note:
Dear Brother,
Thank you for his letter. It is not the first time that I speak of homosexuality and homosexual people. And I wanted to clarify that it is not a crime, to underline that ciminalization is neither good nor right.
When I said it is a sin, I was simply referring to Catholic moral teaching, which says that any sexual act outside of marriage is a sin. Of course, the circumstances must also be considered, which can lessen or eliminate the guilt.
As you see, I was repeating something in general. I should have said, "It's a sin, like any sexual act outside of marriage. That's talking about the 'matter' of marriage." This is talking about the "matter" of sin, but we know well that Catholic morality does not only take into consideration the matter, but also evaluates freedom and intention; and this, for every kind of sin. And I would like to tell those who want to criminalize homosexuality that they are wrong.
In a television interview, where we spoke in a natural and colloquial and understandable language that there are no such precise definitions.
I pray for you and you work. Please do the same for me. May Jesus bless you and may the Holy Virgin protect you.
Fraternally,
Francis
MY COMMENTS:
Pope Francis answers to Fr. Martin will not necessarily please Fr. Martin as the pope upholds, to a certain extent, traditional Catholic teaching on the material of sin and culpability. I would also suspect, Cardinal McElroy will not be pleased with this classic definition either.
But there is also a sin of neglect or failing to do what one should do as we proclaim in the revised Confiteor of the Mass. The pope fails to distinguished between types of sexual sins that are sins outside of marriage. For example, acts of foreplay that are meant to lead to the “marital act” to sustain marital love and be open to procreation, even if it isn’t possible for the male and female at that time, are natural acts although sinful in a non-marriage setting.
Gay sex and its foreplay does not lead to any kind of marital act. In casual sex it is simply for the gratification and pleasure of those who pursue it empty of love or even a casual relationship. If the couple actually love each it, it can’t ever lead to procreation as it is unnatural. Sodomy is classified as a sin that begs for justice from God in God’s Holy and inerrant Word.
Public foreplay, nudity, copulation of any kind, heterosexual, homosexual, transsexual and the variety of +++’s there are today, should be criminalized and sex with minors should be criminalized. The state has a right to criminalize sexual sins if these are detrimental to the common good.
The pope did not clarify that!
And his last sentence to Fr. Martin is the foundation of this pope’s communication technique. He thinks that speaking in a “colloquial” way brings clarification to people when it is the source of confusion, even confusing Fr. Martin.
But with what the pope wrote back to Fr. Martin, do you think Fr. Martin is pleased with that answer.
And why couldn’t the pope have hand written a note to the Dubia cardinals and allowed it to be made public?
4 comments:
Two leftwing simpletons speaking to each other. I have had about had enough of this. If this type of stuff were widely known by faithful Church going Catholics, many would just leave and join the ranks of the nones or join the SSPX or similar ecclesial bodies.
Numerous Churchmen, as well as theologians, denounced the dubia as a "trap" against Pope Francis.
Even Cardinal Müller criticized the "Dubia Cardinals."
The Vatican’s doctrinal head has challenged several cardinals’ public questioning of the doctrinal validity of Amoris laetitia, saying the document is “very clear” on doctrine, and that making the discussion public is harmful to the Church.
Cardinal Müller:
“Everyone, above all the cardinals of the Roman Church, have a right to write a letter to the Pope. However, I was amazed because this was made public, almost forcing the Pope to say yes or no."
“I don’t like this,” he said, adding that “it does damage to the Church to discuss these things publicly.”
In addition, Cardinal Burke pulled the "formal correction" stunt. That is, a "formal correction" would be issued to Pope Francis should the Holy Father not play the Dubia game.
Despite the Dubia Cardinals' nonsense, in 2021 A.D., Pope Francis had elevated Cardinals Burke, as well as Walter Brandmüller, in rank from Cardinal deacons to that of Cardinal priests.
That is typical of Pope Francis' charity.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Charity? Like trying to crush faithful priests and laity who prefer the TLM? LOL
In addition, Cardinal Burke pulled the "formal correction" stunt (Opinion not based on fact). That is, a "formal correction" would be issued to Pope Francis should the Holy Father not play the Dubia game. (Again, opinion not based on fact.)
Despite the Dubia Cardinals' nonsense (Opinion not based on fact), in 2021 A.D., Pope Francis had elevated Cardinals Burke, as well as Walter Brandmüller, in rank from Cardinal deacons to that of Cardinal priests.
That is typical of Pope Francis' charity. (Opinion not based on fact.)
When created a cardinal in 2010, Cardinal Burke held a curial role (Apostolic Signatura).
https://catholicreview.org/cardinal-burke-seven-others-rise-in-rank-in-college-of-cardinals/
According to the Code of Canon Law, “through a choice made in consistory and approved by the Supreme Pontiff,” cardinals can move “from the diaconal order to another diaconia and if they have been in the diaconal order for 10 full years, even to the presbyteral order.”
The rankings have their roots in the ancient church when cardinal deacons handled charitable and administrative activities in the pope’s name and cardinal priests led the most important parishes in the Diocese of Rome. Today, most officials of the Roman Curia who become cardinals enter the college as cardinal deacons, while cardinals who head dioceses enter as cardinal priests.
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