Thursday, August 16, 2018

DAY OF JUDGEMENT, DAY OF WRATH--"THE DIES IRAE" WHICH NO CATHOLIC BORN AFTER 1969 HAS EVER HEARD UNTIL NOW

I have to say that this local Washington, DC reporter did one heck of a good job with this interview. The one interviewed tried to do a good job also, but I don't think I can give him passing marks.

The charter of 2002 was a result primarily of pressure brought upon bishops by the media. First it was the Catholic media in terms of the National Catholic Reporter's series on sexual abuse they uncovered in Louisiana in the early 1980's!  Then, the Boston Globe in 2002 that brought it nationwide. Thus 2002 was in reaction to all the bad publicity. Cardinal Wuerl needs to be reminded of this. It was the media that got them to 2002's charter not God's gift of common sense let alone Catholicism's moral teachings about human sexuality and who is and isn't suitable to remain a priest or bishop.

I think every bishop who has been tainted by the manner in which they helped broken, perverted priests continue in ministry and who did and continued to do the most heinous things to minors and their families and by way of extension to the Church, should resign willingly and complete their lives in seclusion and penance. That's just my most humble and unsolicited opinion.

Good try Cardinal Wuerl, but not good enough:



https://lyricstranslate.com/en/dies-irae-day-wrath.html

The Day Of Wrath

Versions: #1#2
The day of wrath, on that day
It will dissolve the world into glowing ashes
As attested to by David with Sibyl.
What trembling there will be
When the Judge shall come
To examine all in strict justice.
The trumpet's wondrous call resounding
In tombs throughout the world
Gathering everyone toward the throne.
Death and nature shall stand amazed
When creation rises from the dead again
To give an answer to its Judge.
The written book will be brought forth
In which everything is contained
From which the world shall be judged.
What shall I, a wretch, say at that time
What advocate shall I ask (to plead for me)
When even the righteous are not carefree.
(On) that sorrowful day
Those rising from the glowing ashes
(The) accused man to be judged.
Spare them, Oh God
Holy Jesus, Oh Lord
Grant them peace.
Amen.
https://lyricstranslate.com/en/dies-irae-day-wrath.html

The Day Of Wrath

Versions: #1#2
The day of wrath, on that day
It will dissolve the world into glowing ashes
As attested to by David with Sibyl.
What trembling there will be
When the Judge shall come
To examine all in strict justice.
The trumpet's wondrous call resounding
In tombs throughout the world
Gathering everyone toward the throne.
Death and nature shall stand amazed
When creation rises from the dead again
To give an answer to its Judge.
The written book will be brought forth
In which everything is contained
From which the world shall be judged.
What shall I, a wretch, say at that time
What advocate shall I ask (to plead for me)
When even the righteous are not carefree.
(On) that sorrowful day
Those rising from the glowing ashes
(The) accused man to be judged.
Spare them, Oh God
Holy Jesus, Oh Lord
Grant them peace.
Amen.

25 comments:

Woody said...

They should resign but one could not really expect that kind of self promoting person to resign. So Bergoglio must fire them all. Then he could appoint more Cupiches and Farrell’s to replace them. Oh get,

Woody said...

So Bergoglio should resign too.

Anonymous said...

Why should Bergoglio resign? He's doing exactly the same thing that his canonized predecessors did.

The Egyptian said...

I know the president of The Philippines is a bit of a nut case but yesterday he said "I'd like to kick the bishops in the behind", he is in good company, a good kicking is in order. Starting with Francis on down, you cannot make me believe he "just heard of this in the newspaper" to quote another liberal. I have NO faith in the vast majority of them, my faith is in the Church, not the hierarchy. The smoke of Satan is turning into a barbecue.

ByzRC said...

Agree. H.E. commented on his perception of "spin" within The Report however, his commentary had the same feel of spin as he cited statistics and the Church's efforts to "understand" these types of behaviors and resultant abuse.

The Interviewer did seem to ask just about all the right questions however, to me, the question regarding celibacy wasn't necessarily one of them. A better series of questions (in my very humble opinion) might have considered the effect of homosexuality on the priesthood, compatibility/lack thereof with this vocation and any remedial action that should/will be taken to ensure (where, it doesn't already exist) a chaste, moral experience for: seminarians, priests and, for those who have reached the fullness thereof, the episcopacy.

TJM said...

Wuerl is probably not the right spokesman for the Church given his history in Pittsburgh

Anonymous said...

Good post with good insight, Father. Thanks.

Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said...

Wise words from Flannery O'Connor: "You have to suffer as much from the church as for it. The only thing that makes the church endurable is that somehow it is the body of Christ, and on this we are fed. The operation of the church is entirely set up for the sake of the sinner, which creates much misunderstanding among the smug. God is as patient with the entire church as he is with each lost sheep, and many of us Catholics have very little patience with either."

Joe Potillor said...

I know the Bishops' TM are clueless, but I didn't think it was this bad (Okay, so maybe I did),

Nothing short of en masse resignations (from the Pope on down), public penance, and jail sentences, nothing shall do. The Bishops have lost any credibility, or the ability to police themselves....There is no defending this.

Mark Thomas said...

Pennsylvania Report Debunked

Bill Donohue, Ph.D. President Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights August 16, 2018

"Myth: The report was warranted because of the on-going crisis in the
Catholic Church.

Fact: There is no on-going crisis—it's a total myth. In fact, there is no institution, private or public, that has less of a problem with the sexual abuse of minors today than the Catholic Church.

How do I know? Over the past two years, .005 percent of the Catholic clergy have had a
credible accusation made against him. No one knows exactly what the figure is for other institutions, but if there were a grand jury investigation of the sexual abuse of minors in the public schools, people's heads would explode — it would make the Catholic Church's problems look like Little League.

"But no district attorney or attorney general has the guts to probe the public schools."

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Anonymous said...

Here we go again.

MT said “There is no on-going crisis—it's a total myth.”

A pope has resigned.

A Jesuit who has real problems with the 10 Commandments, Canon Law, CCC, basically 2000 years of Catholic teaching and practice is elected pope by such quality individuals as Danneels, Mahoney, Law, Marx, etc.

Practically EVERY single bishop in almost every diocese in the world has been protecting priests who have sexually assaulted everyone from babies to seminarians.

The liturgy is in shambles, liturgical abuse is the norm.....worldwide.

Catholic institutions of higher learning are in open opposition to the teachings of the Church.

Religious life on a worldwide level has collapsed.

The majority of bishops are silent as the pope refuses to answer valid questions from his cardinals and allows error to spread like a cancer through the Church.

We have bishops and priests openly encouraging sinful behaviour that cries to heaven for vengeance, and will condemn souls to Hell who practice it....and nothing is being done.

We have large groups in the church that believe a resigned pope is still the pope. We have others who believe the current pope is a heretic and isn’t the pope. We others who believe there are 2 popes who share parts of the same ministry.

Confessi9nal lines are empty.

Good is made to appear evil, and evil is made to appear good by the pope, and numerous bishops and clergy and religious.

But Mark Thomas says there is no crisis it’s all a myth. Now tell me Fake News isn’t real.

Anonymous said...

@ Fr. MJK 5:40, good comment and probably appropriate to the current crisis we are in despite the fact that O’Connor did not live to see the horror of this latest sin-sick Church mess.

TJM said...

Kavanaugh,

Well millions have fled the Church since Vatican Disaster II. Doesn't that both you, at all?

MT - you are certifiable.

ByzRC said...

MT,

I sincerely hope you aren't as uncaring a human as your commentary makes you sound. Worship Christ, not the institution he founded.He never asked that of us.

John Nolan said...

Mark Thomas is not saying in his post at 1:04 that all is well with the Church. Unfortunately the confusing way he sets out his comments doesn't make it clear when he is quoting others and when he is giving his own opinions. In this case he is quoting from a longer article by Bill Donohue which is highly critical of the Pennsylvania report.

We are all aware of the scandal of clerical sex abuse. We are also aware that the response of the hierarchy was (to say the least) inadequate. However, we also know that most of the allegations concerned events that happened decades ago. It's not an ongoing crisis, although it is certainly an ongoing story.

I have read the article in question, and although I can't comment on all the issues Donohue raises, his criticisms appear to me to be well founded.

Mark Thomas said...

I refuse to join the rush-to-judgment crowd in regard to the Pennsylvania Report.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

ByzRC said...

John -

I would suggest that while it is not an ongoing crisis from the perspective of the landslide of the '70s and '80s, it is not a solved problem either. With that in mind, I offer the following from this morning's Philadelphia Inquirer:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/philadelphia-archdiocese-sex-harassment-st-charles-borromeo-seminary-20180816.html

It would seem that until, proactively, those with these repulsive predilections are rooted out at formation, so that their tendencies don't become baggage at ordination - either to the priesthood and for some, the episcopacy - and until the culture of aiding and abetting at all levels particularly the hierarchy is eliminated, this problem won't go away. Whatever the percentage, regardless of materiality, for the moral mouthpiece of the world, it is too high. That said, in the Archdiocese of Philadelphia and the Diocese of Scranton, there are many, many good, sincere, hardworking priests laboring, or who have labored among apostates. I personally know some and am most appreciative of their good efforts to sheperd their flocks. It is a shame that those who choose to do otherwise tarnish the reputations and decrease the effectiveness of these true servants.

johnnyc said...

What did Francis say at the very beginning.....we should not talk so much about abortion and homosexuality? Yeah how's that working out.....

ByzRC said...


Mark Thomas -

What are you rushing to judge, facts? If you read the report, much is documented in writing. There is no question that often, it becomes a "he said", "he/she said" exercise (and, will often ruin the falsely accused priest) but, surely, you agree that the facts presented in the report, including the written acknowledgement of bishops on these matters in addition to their "attempts" to address would lead one to conclude that all is not well. It is likely that if other dioceses outside of Pennsylvania were subject to the same scrutiny, similar findings would be presented.

TJM said...

Johnny C,

PF was providing cover for his fellow leftists when he said that

TJM said...

MT,

LOL - you rush to judgment tous les jours when it comes to Rorate Caeli and other orthodox Catholics

Anonymous said...

Today, Auguest 17, 2018 the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights published an article "Scapegoatimg Cardinal Wuerl". I suggest we all read it. There is always two sides to every coin.
Theresa Verver
Canadian

Anonymous said...

Well, the crisis has shed some light to me in what looks like a somewhat sordid process of selecting bishops---"who you know" seems like the most important characteristic. The process seems more akin to selecting a member of the local country club; laity are never told who the candidates are for the position, what the criteria are, what is being sought in a new bishop. Why was candidate A better than candidates B or C in the terna? When the pope makes a selection, how does he really know candidate A is the best choice, given the pope most likely has never visited the diocese in question and perhaps has never met candidate A? I know in the Episcopal Church, bishops are elected (and I don't advocate that---issues there), but at least you get to know who the candidates are in advance, and there is a pretty thorough screening of them ahead of the election. Not sure how selection goes in the Orthodox Church but maybe I should check.

Seeker said...

Fr Kav- the wisest words I've seen you post on this blog.

TJM said...

MT,

No response to my post? Are you afraid of the truth?