Wednesday, August 1, 2018

AND NOW FOR THE MARRIED CLERY/BISHOPS THAT IF WE HAD THEM WOULD SAVE THE CHURCH! YAH, RIGHT!

From the Church of England:


Church of England bishops turn on each other over Lord Carey abuse scandal


George Carey


Church of England bishops are turning on each other after the lead figure on safeguarding was locked out of discussions about a former archbishop accused of covering up child sexual abuse.
Lord Carey stepped down as an honourary assistant bishop in Oxford last year at the request of the current archbishop, Justin Welby, after a damning report last year accused the Church of colluding with disgraced paedophile bishop Peter Ball in the 1990s. 

8 comments:

Victor said...

Your header picture accompanying this post gives me a problem. Why are the non-presider priests not saying their own Masses at other altars in the church? The whole church would be filled with the sacredness of Masses everywhere as in here:

http://wdtprs.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/12_08_17_monks_masses.jpg

or here:

http://www.wdtprs.com/images2/11_12_29_Norcia_masses.jpg

or even here:

http://www.wdtprs.com/images2/12_06_25_concelebration_01.jpg

The worse part about this Novus Ordo concelebration, whether ad orientem or ad populum, is that the non-presider priests will all be making disgusting Nazi salutes to the bread and wine at the consecration.

Anonymous said...

"Your header picture accompanying this post gives me a problem. Why are the non-presider priests not saying their own Masses at other altars in the church? The whole church would be filled with the sacredness of Masses..."

The whole church is filled with the sacredness of the one mass. The sacredness is not multiplied by priests saying "their own" Masses.

Every Mass is THE sacrifice of Calvary. We don't have "more" sacredness when "more" masses are celebrated.

Anonymous said...

Victor, kind of hard to find the main celebrant in that picture...and way too many altar boys. Thought I saw somewhere that concelebrated Masses were rare, if they existed at all, prior to Vatican 2--the pre-Vatican 2 era predating me.

I assume it was a typo when it said "clery", not "clergy".

rcg said...

Anon at 5:40. Yes. He meant 'merry Clergy".

Victor said...

It was actually Evelyn Waugh that brought this wonderful character of large pre-V2 churches to my attention. All this was before my time but how wonderful it must have been to enter such a church where Masses would be continually said during visiting hours at different altars, and on some days there would be the Rood, the Sacrifice offered in many areas of the church at the same time. It must have been so awesome to visit these sacred places on earth where you could find a glimpse of heaven at any time of day.

Evelyn Waugh suffered a death by Novus Ordo, being sacrificed on the altar of Modernism.

It is interesting that he had a great distaste for the northern Europeans who were the ones that influenced the Council the most: “I think it is a great cheek of the Germans to try and teach the rest of the world anything about religion. They should be in perpetual sackcloth and ashes for all their enormities from Luther to Hitler.” It would not have surprised him that so many Germans and even Austrians continue to wage war against the Faith today.

He also had something to say about that mantra word "participate" at the time of the Council: "Participate’ — the cant word — does not mean to make a row as the Germans suppose. One participates in a work of art when one studies it with reverence and understanding.” As he continued “‘Participation’ in the Mass does not mean hearing our voices. It means God hearing our voices.” Like St Augustine, he no doubt meant the silent prayers in our hearts said to God, in this case privately during the Mass.

Indeed, was it also not in Germany that the rejection of Latin in the Mass started and acquired the strongest opposition? And those Nazi salutes at the consecration in NO concelebrations...

Victor said...

Aristotelan-Thomistic philosphy, theology, and ethics became a good part of the the defensive strategy of the Church that Pope Leo IXII encouraged against Modernism. But the Modernists were not idle and after WW1 they developed the Nouvelle Theologie which sought to be an alternative to this neo-scholasticm. It was based on the same idea that the liturgical reformers of the Council claimed to hold, a return to the sources, ressourcement, even claiming to return to the authentic St Thomas Aquinas. After WW2 it became very influential in the Catholic ivory towers, and by the time of the Council, it was more or less being widely accepted as doctrine, as seen in the Conciliar document Dei Verbum.

The problem is that whereas before V2 Catholic ethics was firmly grounded in neo-scholastic theology and philosophy, the Nouvelle Theology did not have much of an ethics to speak of, as it was mainly a theological movement. With the loss of neo-scholastic ethics after V2, the door was left wide open for alternative ethics, or, rather a lack of ethics. There is still no systematic ethics in the Church to replace the Thomistic ethics of before V2.

Victor said...

My apologies. My last comment on neo-scholasticism was meant for another post: "MANY POST VATICAN CLERGY AND LAITY HAVE NO FEAR OF GOD AND NO FEAR OF HELL"

Anonymous said...

I am not into calling bishops "Lord anything!" But I guess that comes (the Anglican ones) from there being a House of Lords in the British Parliament.