UPDATE! UPDATE! POPE ORDERS ROME’s CHURCHES TO REOPEN!
https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2020/03/after-roman-churches-shuttered-pope-says-people-of-god-shouldnt-be-left-alone/
Cardinal Krajewski was a co-master of ceremonies with Msgr Guido Marini. He is next to Marini in this photo at John Paul’s beatification:
https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2020/03/after-roman-churches-shuttered-pope-says-people-of-god-shouldnt-be-left-alone/
Cardinal Krajewski was a co-master of ceremonies with Msgr Guido Marini. He is next to Marini in this photo at John Paul’s beatification:
Papal Almsgiver breaks decree, opens Rome church for prayer and adoration!
ROME - Just a day after Cardinal Angelo De Donatis announced the unprecedented decision to close all the churches in the Diocese of Rome to stop the spread of the coronavirus COVID-19, Papal Almoner Cardinal Konrad Krajewski has done exactly the opposite: The Polish cardinal opened his titular church, Santa Maria Immacolata in Rome’s Esquiline neighborhood.
“It is the act of disobedience, yes, I myself put the Blessed Sacrament out and opened my church,” Krajewski told Crux.
“It did not happen under fascism, it did not happen under the Russian or Soviet rule in Poland - the churches were not closed,” he said, adding that “this is an act that should bring courage to other priests.”
“Home should always be open to its children,” he told Cruxin an emotional conversation.
27 comments:
The battle lines are becoming clearer. If we have at least a FEW cardinals like this guy, then there IS hope.
I find it odd to close churches during times of pestilence, as if God were irrelevant to people's lives. If anything, times of pestilences should be a reminder of the miraculous work of God in people's lives and in the world, offering Him more sacrifices for one's safety and in reparation for the sins of the world. But when the Mass is no longer viewed as a sacrifice and so-called science is more relevant than God...
"He who goes in (the conclave) a pope comes out a cardinal."
Anon 10:56
The opposite is true as well.
Heck, here in Atlanta, friend of mine who attends the Episcopal cathedral says they have cancelled Sunday services (they usually have Eucharist at all services, rare exceptions when not). Now I see why they are called "Catholic Lite"!!!
"In times of pestilence" we had little or no understanding of how illnesses are passed between people.
Miasma, bad air from rotting organic matter, was though to be the source for sickness. According to that theory, if your church was free of the miasma, you were safe.
Wrong.
It wasn't until germ theory was well-understood through work done by Louis Pasteur, among others, that miasma was set aside.
Closing churches doesn't in any way suggest that God is irrelevant to people's lives. It means that we are no longer ignorant regarding how many diseases are transmitted.
There is a panic in Dayton. The Archbishop said to refrain from communion by mouth. My friends are worked up over that as much as the virus. We are thinking of having a procession. I bet it would be pretty long with everyone two meters apart!
'He who goes in a pope comes out a cardinal.'
A well-worn cliché which is belied by the record. The front-runner was elected in 1939, 1963 and 2005. In 1958 the obvious successor had been sidelined and was not a cardinal. In 1978 and 2013 there was no obvious favourite.
And that is only counting the popes in my lifetime.
Very moving evening for me. Our FSSP priest withheld Communion because the Archbishop directed to only give Holy Communion in the hand due to concerns about the Coronavirus. Our priest explained that he was bound to obedience to both our order and the local bishop. He explained that those of us who had just finished our Stations of the Cross should understand the example set by Our Lord obeying the laws of men. After Mass we had Confession then a pot luck of barley and lentils. While we were cleaning up the Hall the priest came in, his face beaming. The Archbishop had called him after confessions were finished to let him know he was granting an exception to our parish to receive on the tongue. Say a prayer of gratitude for Archbishop Schnurr who has allowed our parish to exist and has granted this exception.
RCG,
Withhold your donations for a year and let the left-wing loons know why. The Catholic Church in the US is on life support. Decisions like this are an indicator why this is.
TJM, you see the denouement of this story above. A sort of ‘Gift of the Magi’ where different acts of love each bear different yet beneficial fruit. As for your suggestion I agree and that tactic, slightly modified into a strategy, has made our tiny parish the second highest contributor to the Archdiocese. A factor that I am certain helped get attention for our plea, if not the answer.
I have just checked out the Oxford Oratory as to their response following guidelines from the E&W bishops.
1. No 'sign of peace'.
2. No 'passing the plate'. Collection to be taken on the way out.
3. Holy water stoups to be emptied. (Although the Solemn Latin Mass on Sundays is preceded by the Asperges.)
4. Hymn books, cards &c., will not be given out. Leaflets should be taken away with you.
Nothing specific about reception of Communion. The Oratory stopped offering the Chalice a year ago and Communion is kneeling at the rail - most receive on the tongue anyway, although in the OF reception on the hand is a legitimate option.
I also checked out the website of the Latin Mass Society. Communion in the hand is not permitted in the EF. Should the bishops mandate it, then there will be no Communion of the Faithful at EF Masses. I would suggest that this is mistaken - the bishops have no authority whatsoever to change anything in the EF.
"I would suggest that this is mistaken - the bishops have no authority whatsoever to change anything in the EF."
This is not a question of who has or does not have authority. It is a question of public health and safety, whether you or anyone else agrees with that or not.
Only the credulous will maintain the position that one cannot catch a dangerous and potentially deadly disease when attending Mass or receiving communion, simply because it is the Body and Blood of Jesus.
Only the obstinate will appeal to "authority" when, for very good reasons, a temporary change is made in how communion is distributed.
Only the selfish will give priority own preferences and wants when the Greater Good should be considered.
From TraditionalMass.org: "In certain circumstances where harm to the common good would result from a literal application of a law, it is bad to follow the law."
Bee here:
The Cardinal suspended Masses in the Archdiocese of Chicago as of the vigil Mass on Saturday evening today.
St. John Cantius Church decided yesterday to have a Solemn High Mass and Eucharistic Procession at this morning's normally Low Traditional Latin Mass. They put the notice on the web site yesterday afternoon. The church was packed this morning.
After this morning's Mass (with Exposition, a Eucharistic Procession around the city block, and Benediction (I would guess around 800 people were there)) there will be no public Masses or large gatherings until further notice. St. Joseph's Table was cancelled.
The lines for confession were long. There were 4 or 5 priests hearing confessions.
We were told Masses on Sunday would be said in the priests' cloister (chapel) and would be live streamed on the parish web site, following the same schedule and form as the normal Sunday schedule: 7:30 am Low TLM, 9:00 am Ordinary Form (English); 11:00 am Ordinary Form (Latin); 12:30 pm Solemn High Mass (Latin). (USA Central Time Zone)
Also, we were told the church would be open for prayer all day, every day until evening vespers, confessions would be made more available during the week, and priests would be making home visits to administer the Sacrament of the Sick if requested.
I guess the best option for Sunday is to "attend" the Mass online at home, and reverently pray as if present in the chapel, making a spiritual communion.
What occurred to me most of all is that for many of us who attend St. John's, it's a place for us to meet and be with others who practice the Catholic Faith with devotion and seriousness, and is one place in this very secular disbelieving world where we can be with others who also believe, and be accepted and validated in our life of Faith. It is not a geographical parish, but people come from all over the region to be there. But without Mass, we are cast out into the wilderness, each to fend for ourselves, and we lose the support of being with those we have worshiped and prayed with for many years. And worst of all, we lose being able to receive Our Lord, which many of us find sustains us amid the daily whirlwind of the culture we live in. And we can't even go to a badly celebrated Novus Ordo to make due.
It is a huge penance for Lent, and maybe even beyond, because for all we know we may not have Palm Sunday, or Holy Week, or even Easter Mass. But I pray if we are able to suffer it well in union with Our Lord's crucifixion and death, we will experience the triumph of the cross as well. I offer these sufferings for the conversion of sinners.
May God bless you.
Bee
It is not a matter of simple preference but also of competence. Many OF priests cannot offer an EF Mass because they are not competent to do so. Likewise it would be dangerous for hygiene reasons to give a short notice test of their dexterity to deliver Communion on the tongue. On the other hand a priest raised and trained in the EF does it every day. Eventually, every priest could perform the simple act, but not reliably over night.
"Competence"?
It takes "competence" to place a host in the hands on on the tongue?
Most priests I know are amazingly "competent" when it comes to both.
USA Priest aka Kavanaugh,
You argue the opposite when you post under your own name. NO HEALTH RISK to the Faithful when taking the precious blood from the chalice, yada, yada, yada
TJM - Your hiatus from these parts was appreciated.
Never once did I say or suggest that there was NO HEALTH RISK in the use of the common cup.
Not Once.
I have repeatedly said that there is a risk, but that the risk is small, and that there are other risks associated with going to church and with every day life that are more likely to be vectors of disease.
You either don't reads what I have posted, or you have forgotten what I have posted, or you are intentionally misrepresenting what I have posted.
In any case, your 4:58 post is simply wrong.
The Latin Mass Society is, of course, quite wrong in their statement as our Cardinal Nicholls has made clarified today...
The Cardinal explained the measures during an interview on Saturday on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme where he discussed the Church’s pastoral and practical response to the crisis with presenter Nick Robinson.
The Cardinal said: “For some time we have been trying to minimise those points at which infection might be passed on. This is a long haul and we’re taking it gently and steadily”.
He pointed out that churches had already abandoned the sign of peace and that it was “simple and sensible” to make another gesture such as a bow to fellow Mass-goers. And he acknowledged the dangers of Holy Communion when there is a highly contagious disease in the community and it is carried in the saliva in 90 per cent of cases, according to scientific evidence.
Some hours before the interview in a message to priests of his Westminster diocese, he had written: “We should do our utmost to encourage people to receive Holy Communion in the hand. This, too, is an ancient tradition of the Church and undoubtedly safer at this time.
“I would add here, that in exercising their rights, the faithful are expected to 'take into account the common good of the Church, the rights of others and their own duties towards others' (Canon 223). This applies to the right to receive Holy Communion on the tongue.
"If there are those who still wish to insist on this right, then I suggest that they receive Holy Communion at a distinct time, perhaps after Mass. Then, in giving them Holy Communion you can exercise proper precautions, such as washing your hands after each communicant so as to minimise the risk of spreading the virus. Please undertake this ministry yourself, not delegating it to an extraordinary minister of the Eucharist”.
Kavanaugh,
You are long overdue for a hiatus. Faithful Catholics would appreciate it. Hey, did you enjoy Nancy Pelosi trying to get abortion funding into the bill dealing with the Coronavirus? I am sure that will ensure you voting for the Dems in November.
UK "Priest"
Cardinal Nicholls is lying. There is no scientific basis for denying the Faithful Holy Communion on the tongue. As a matter of fact, giving it in the hand has far greater health risks, that is why holding hands and the handshake of peace has been suspended. Nicholls is just another lefty, agenda driven cleric
This morning I attended the Solemn Latin (OF) Mass at the Oxford Oratory. At the end we knelt and said prayers (in English) which included the Sub tuum praesidium to Our Lady. Before that, we asked God to spare His people 'rightly chastised by our affliction'.
The modernist idea that this is an accident of nature which God could not prevent but can alleviate is not really tenable.
I knew it was a mistake to reply. It won't happen again.
John Nolan,
I heard that you Brits are taking the stiff upper lip approach. I pray things go well for you all. I have family and friends in England. All the best!
The Anti-Christ is hard at work all that is happening has been foretold.
Went to TLM today in Savannah and though late in the day I will continue use to do so. The Novus Ordo mass leaves me completely empty.
I wish Father Schreck did TLM as he’s a great homilest.
Kavanaugh,
LOL
Post a Comment