Father Nerin’s experimental 1968 community’s obituary:
Experimental Parish Withdraws From Diocese, March 1975
OKLAHOMA CITY INC) The first experimental, nonterritorial parish established in the U.S , the Community of John XXIII, has withdrawn from the jurisdiction of the Oklahoma City Archdiocese. The withdrawal followed several months of impasse between the community and Archbishop John Quinn of Oklahoma City over liturgical practices in the community, ending in the archbishop's
withdrawal of the assignment of the community's pastor. Rev. William Nerin. ARCHBISHOP Quinn has announced no penalties against Father Nerin or the Community and both chancery and Community sources, including Father Nerin, de scribe the split as cordial. Archbishop Quinn wants to "leave the door open." sources said.
Archbishop Quinn and the Community could not agree on four areas: • The community allowed distribution of Communion to non-Catholics. approximately one-third of the membership of about 60 adults and 60 children. • The Community designed its own worship services. • The Community did not encourage private confession • The Community saw its relationship to the broader church in “an exchange of religious experience," according to Father Nerin, while Archbishop Quinn saw the relationship depending on the appointment of a pastor by the archbishop. FATHER NERIN said Archbishop Quinn sent the "Community a letter detailing the iaGr points of disagree ment in mid-December. On Feb. 15, the Community wrote to Archbishop Quinn saying it could not go along with his request On Feb 26, Archbishop Quinn said he interpreted that as a withdrawal from his jurisdiction and withdrew
Father Nerin’s assignment. The Community withdrew officially from the archdiocese on Feb 28 Archbishop Quinn said he withdrew Father Nerin's assignment "after I came to the truly painful conclusion that the Community of John XXHI had withdrawn Itself from my episcopal and pastoral jurisdiction."
Archbishop Quinn said he acknowledged with gratitude and admiration the work of the Community and said "the Community of John XXIII has taught us a great deal. 1 regret that the experiment miat end on this note.” The Community of John XXIII was launched as an experimental pariah eight years ago with the permission of the late Bishop Victor Reed of Oklahoma City.
8 comments:
Those really were heady days, before we found out the people preaching some new spirit were as clueless of God, or more so, as those they sought to supplant. But, for a moment, it seemed a new age was dawning....turned out only a second rate age of Aquarius was all they could offer.
And still they have their followers, and still the blind leading the blind, much as their opponents to a large degree, where at least their opponents are for preservation rather than tearing it all down to replace it with something far cheaper and infinitely worse.
And so the wars between two blind campa continues, their battle cry being, "Nyah nyah nyah, your're blinder than we are!", as the Churxh goes over a cliff, both factions far too blind to drive or even to see the cliff approaching.
Bob,
Pray tell who is the other blind camp, faithful Catholics?
TJM,
It is ANYone who says God is on their side, when they themselves are ignorant of God... where if you asked them if they have experienced God, what was it like, and show me how to experience God, all you get in reply is a bunch of vapid, vague, mumbo jumbo with no clear direction.
And this, despite there existing numerous orthodox works in our religion instructing in exactly that very thing...which works are The Great Unknown to the majority of lay and consecrated "Christians" and "Catholics", especially the most obnoxious "cultural warriors".
The clearest instruction comes directly from Moses and Jesus, the Sh'ma Israel, "Hear oh Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is One. Thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul and with all thy might". This is the first and greatest commandment upon which all others depend. It is very specific, ALL thy heart, ALL thy soul, ALL thy might.
If you argue that it does not really mean that literally, then you certainly are part of the problem if the first and greatest commandment is subject to weasling out of performing, and you are part of the blind leading the blind.
Father Nerin, as well as the laymen who had thrown in with him, misrepresented Pope Saint John XXIII. The priest and laymen had advanced an anti-Catholic spirit in Pope Saint John XXIII's name. Father Nerin and his community had also misrepresented Vatican II.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
This Time Capsule NBC 1968 documentary for NBC and just showing liberal Catholics of that period spouting off their ideology, some three years or so after Vatican II, shows how deleterious their ideology was for them and the Church throughout the world. Conservative or traditional Catholics, while maybe a pain in the neck, aren’t heterodox and are far more Catholic than, let’s say Anglicans and Baptists. Yet liberal Catholics wat dialogue and friendship with them in an ecumenical fashion and with non Christians in an interfaith fashion, but vow to stamp out those Catholics who prefer the Church and her liturgies as it was prior to Vatican II. Yet, these Catholics embrace what the Church teaches about God and actually believe that being Catholic is about their personal salvation and the salvation of the world.
Traditionalists have not be and never were and are not now the enemy, despite those who in high place mock and marginalize them. Heterodox and gnostic progressive Catholics are the true enemy of the Faith.
Bob,
I asked a simple question, who is the other camp? I am just curious.
Mark Thomas,
Father Nerin, Bishop Shannon, etc were leftwingers
TJM,
I gave you a simple answer, which defies your purely political view of left-wing vs right-wing religion, which view is no religion but only politics.
If you are not striving to love God with ALL that you are, you are no disciple of the Christ and only a nominal phony. whether right-wing or left-wing. Both camps are quite replete with such phonies.
Those phonies on both sides have brought the Church to where it is today. In case you missed it, the left-wing "progressives" were only reacting to the phonies on the right, them seeing just how phony things had become and seeking a different path. Unfortunately for them, they are also clueless and chose an opposite course just as phony, both sides entirely missing the point of the religion, which is union with God. Both fixate purely on externals.
Father, I 100% agree with your last paragraph in your above reply...many conservatives may not know exactly what it is they are trying to conserve, but at least they are not trying to tear it down and replace it with a man-made democratic "thing" (them equating democracy with guidance by the Holy Spirit) of zero understanding of the point of the Church, ....which point is to preserve original teachings unadultered, so that at least a seeker has an objective chance of finding God.
This also includes ancient sacred rites which are far more amicable to true seekers. We COULD have a new rite just as amicable, but we do not, as crafters of the current new rite were far more fixated on expressed democracy than they were God....ie, they turned it into politics.
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