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Friday, June 17, 2022

WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT WRONG AT TRENT AND CORRECT AT VATICAN II AND WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT WRONG IN THE BIBLE CONCERNING SEXUAL IMMORALITY AND NOW IS WORKING THROUGH CARDINAL HOLLERICH TO NEGATE THE SCRIPTURES AND TRADITION OF THE CHURCH?


 Cardinal Hollerich, the archbishop of Luxembourg and president of the EU Bishops’ Commission (COMECE), said that Catholic teaching on the sinfulness of homosexual relations is mistaken and needs to be updated.

"I believe that the sociological-scientific foundation of this teaching is no longer correct,” Hollerich said, while calling for a fundamental revision of the teaching.

The Catholic Church teaches that same-sex attraction is “is objectively disordered.”

“Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that ‘homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered,’” states the Catholic Catechism, adding that under no circumstances “can they be approved.”

“I know that I have homosexuals among my priests,” Hollerich told KNA. “I have homosexual women and men among the laity. And they know they have a home in the Church.”

And then this from Cardinal Elect Roche:


 

 What the Cardinal and Cardinal designate have in common is Biblical, doctrinal and historical amnesia. 

They also seem to have in common a neo-gnosticism that what they or someone else believes, if they believe it as hard as can be, makes it true as though they have a direct pipeline from God on the truth not known to others in the Church, like the sensus fidelium (the sense of the faithful (not the unfaithful, btw).

8 comments:

TJM said...

What's next, multiple spouses, incest? Taking advice from a failed Church is not a good plan.

rcg said...

We don’t need the theology to see the pathetic, in its most sympathetic sense, nature of the homosexual clergy. They are addicted as surely as to heroin to a purely self centered sex act. The more they rage the more they seem like drug addicts. This is the case for sympathy and the proof that they are unable to act responsibly

TJM said...

rcg,

Spot on.

George said...

In our day and age it has been the strategy of the Evil One and his minions to employ and subvert by any nefarious means the teaching of our Holy Mother Church through and by human agency under their influence, and this to endeavor to persuade ecclesiatic authorities to take a different approach to certain sinful practices and accommodate in some way such poor souls. Demonic spirits are all to willing to serve, influence, and and exploit anti-God philosophies and practices, among these being homosexuality and transgenderism.
As Catholics we are called to imitate Christ in our behavior, in both thought, word, and deed, according to what is taught by God in his Holy Church. All of us often fall short of doing that and thankfully we have Sacramental recourse but how can it be that anyone that is immersed and living in such habitual sin, in opposition to what God desires,unless they change and lead chaste lives can do that?
Now of course we should treat such persons we encounter with Christian charity, but the correct spiritual approach is that we should accompany those who participate in such practices with intercessory prayer and fasting so that they may be delivered from the clutches of the demonic spirits and their perfidious aims. .

We should ever and always keep in mind that we are in a battle with "Principalities and Powers", the fallen angels, and not with our fellow human beings. At the same time we should have confidence in the power and love of God to bring about the conversion that is so necessary and that we should not in any way, by our words and actions, enable sinful behavior or cause those leading sinful lives to continue in their iniquity.
I realize there are those who struggle with overcoming unvirtuous behavior and of course God knows as well, but no one should never resign themselves to difficult circumstances as if there is no hope, but always having recourse to the Mercy of God through the power of prayer to the One who can bring about change even when things seem beyond hope.
We need to encourage those who are struggling with sexual sins and those who know such persons to pray to St Charles Lwanga and companions, as well as the Blessed Virgin Mary(with frequent rosaries) and saints such as St Joseph, St Francis, St. Mary Magdalan, St. Agnes, St. Augustine, St Margaret of Cortona, St Angela of Foligno and Saint Dymphna.

mark said...

In regard to Cardinal-Elect Roche:

Summorum Pontificum failed to achieve the goals that Pope Benedict XVI had desired.

Pope Francis', as well as Cardinal-Elect Roche's detractors, have refused to acknowledge the above.

Said folks have opted for the following narrative: Pope Francis/Archbishop Roche hates the TLM...is cruel, vicious, rotten, evil... They hate Pope (Emeritus) Benedict XVI...and wish to erase Emeritus' legacy.

The reality is as requested by bishops, Pope Francis has been tasked to remove the debris that "traditionalists" generated via their false interpretation, as well as rejection, of Summorum Pontificum.

Speaking generally...

"Traditionalists" seized upon Pope (Emeritus) Benedict XVI's claim that the TLM had not been abrogated. Trads weaponized that claim against Vatican II, Novus Ordo, and Liturgical Movement.

Other than said claim, trads rejected Summorum Pontificum...they rejected Pope (Emeritus) Benedict XVI's liturgical peace plan.

Peter Kwasniewski, who is taken seriously by many "traditionalists," last year, via his Crisis Magazine article, posited the following:

"This, then, is the fundamental problem with Summorum Pontificum: it is internally incoherent, founded on a monumental contradiction caused by the worst abuse of papal power in the history of the Church.

"The motu proprio reflects and reinforces false principles of ecclesiology and liturgy that led to the very crisis to which it was a partial response...the remainder of Summorum Pontificum subtly holds the traditional liturgy hostage, or gives it, as it were, second-class citizenship."

There you have it.

Summorum Pontificum is/was "incoherent"...founded on a monumental contradiction ...reflects and reinforces false principles of ecclesiology and liturgy that led to the very crisis to which it was a partial response."

If we believe such leading "traditionalists" as Peter Kwasniewski, then Summorum Pontificum could only have failed...could only crash and burn.

If we believe certain leading "traditionalists," then Pope Francis, as well as Cardinal-delegate Roche, have been saddled with an incoherent, awful, unsustainable document — Summorum Pontificum — that could only have exploded into a thousand pieces.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

mark said...

In regard to Cardinal-Elect Roche:

Summorum Pontificum failed to achieve the goals that Pope Benedict XVI had desired.

Pope Francis', as well as Cardinal-Elect Roche's detractors, have refused to acknowledge the above.

Said folks have opted for the following narrative: Pope Francis/Archbishop Roche hates the TLM...is cruel, vicious, rotten, evil... They hate Pope (Emeritus) Benedict XVI...and wish to erase Emeritus' legacy.

The reality is as requested by bishops, Pope Francis has been tasked to remove the debris that "traditionalists" generated via their false interpretation, as well as rejection, of Summorum Pontificum.

Speaking generally...

"Traditionalists" seized upon Pope (Emeritus) Benedict XVI's claim that the TLM had not been abrogated. Trads weaponized that claim against Vatican II, Novus Ordo, and Liturgical Movement.

Other than said claim, trads rejected Summorum Pontificum...they rejected Pope (Emeritus) Benedict XVI's liturgical peace plan.

Peter Kwasniewski, who is taken seriously by many "traditionalists," last year, via his Crisis Magazine article, posited the following:

"This, then, is the fundamental problem with Summorum Pontificum: it is internally incoherent, founded on a monumental contradiction caused by the worst abuse of papal power in the history of the Church.

"The motu proprio reflects and reinforces false principles of ecclesiology and liturgy that led to the very crisis to which it was a partial response...the remainder of Summorum Pontificum subtly holds the traditional liturgy hostage, or gives it, as it were, second-class citizenship."

There you have it.

Summorum Pontificum is/was "incoherent"...founded on a monumental contradiction ...reflects and reinforces false principles of ecclesiology and liturgy that led to the very crisis to which it was a partial response."

If we believe such leading "traditionalists" as Peter Kwasniewski, then Summorum Pontificum could only have failed...could only crash and burn.

If we believe certain leading "traditionalists," then Pope Francis, as well as Cardinal-delegate Roche, have been saddled with an incoherent, awful, unsustainable document — Summorum Pontificum — that could only have exploded into a thousand pieces.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

TJM said...

Mark Thomas,

Knock it off. No one is buying the bilge you are peddling. FYI, Peter Kwasniewski knows far more about the Liturgy than "Pope Merciful." By the way, did you know Peter's Pence funded homosexual Elton John's movie which includes homosexual acts? Please explain how the Holy Spirit is guiding Peter's Pence.

TJM said...

Mark Thomas,

Still in the “dump and run” modus operandi?