Thursday, June 2, 2022


In the Church and perhaps elsewhere, there is always a tendency to blame the victims for the situations they experience which are negative. 

In the Church and since Vatican II, there has been division about how to interpret the Council. There are two major camps and both headed by popes still living! How weird is that? It is unprecedented and certainly can be a cause for an actual schism. 

Pope Benedict, a brilliant Church intellect surpassing any pope in the 20th and 21st century, gave what should have been a dogmatic statement on how the interpret Vatican II, within continuity of everything which preceded that Council. It is called reform in continuity. 

Pope Francis, not the brightest intellect in the Church, opposes this concept and seems to be leading the Church in a dogmatic way into the “spirit” of Vatican II which basically is disruptive, divisive and leading us into schism, an actual one. He has contradicted two great popes, one still living, and tried to turn the Church back to Paul VI in order to move forward with the spirit of  Vatican II of that period, which even St. Pope Paul VI even criticized. 

And the pope blames his victims who agree with Pope Benedict and not the reigning pope. Who created that division and from second one of His Holiness election? Who is yanking us around again? Who is being victimized?

Thus this book review blames everyone else except the current Pope, His Holiness, Pope Francis, who alone has exacerbated the divisions of the Church which were healing under Pope Benedict, still living. Pope Benedict in Summorum Pontificum wanted an inner healing in the Church and it was happening, especially in dioceses where bishops and priests ministered to both those who prefer the OF and EF Masses as they were briefly called and challenging mentalities which questioned either form of the Mass celebrated by the book and asked by the Church. 

Pope Francis is the cause of the state of the Church today and the progressives who are so dear to His Holiness. Press the title which is linked to a Praytell post:

Brief Book Review: Catholic Discordance

Catholic Discordance:
Neoconservatism vs. the Field Hospital Church of Pope Francis
By Massimo Borghesi
Translated from the Italian by Barry M. Hudock

Why is this book important? The book’s claim is that the division in the church is serious. Borghesi supports this claim with abundant quotes and footnotes from a wide variety of sources. The result is a clear picture of the serious threat to the Holy Father’s efforts to be faithful to the vision of the Second Vatican Council. Francis’s approach to leading the church, his critique of capitalism, and his embrace of the Gospel mandate to evangelize are clearly laid out. Borghesi achieves this by tracing the sources and development of Francis’s thinking and his spirituality, including the influence of Romano Guardini and Pope Paul VI, in order to provide a cogent narrative about his mission and vision for today’s church and the neoconservatives who opposed it.


TJM said...

We may be in schism because we have "Catholic" bishops and priests who support the Biden administration which is rabidly pro abortion. Based on the following I wonder if Biden is even sane:

"The move comes as the Biden administration is using heavy-handed measures to enshrine gender ideology into federal law.

Biden’s Department of Agriculture announced earlier this month that in order for schools to receive funds for student lunches, breakfasts, and other food items, it must comply with its interpretation of the ban on discrimination based on sex in Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 and other food-related programs, which includes sexual orientation and gender identity.

“USDA is committed to administering all its programs with equity and fairness, and serving those in need with the highest dignity,” Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said in a press release. “A key step in advancing these principles is rooting out discrimination in any form – including discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity.”

Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said...

"Pope Benedict, a brilliant Church intellect surpassing any pope in the 20th and 21st century, gave what should have been a dogmatic statement on how the interpret Vatican II, within continuity of everything which preceded that Council."

Instructions on the interpretation of Conciliar documents cannot, by their nature, be dogmatic.

Dogma is limited to that which is divinely revealed. Period.

"A dogma of the Catholic Church is defined as "a truth revealed by God, which the magisterium of the Church declared as binding." The Catechism of the Catholic Church states:

The Church's Magisterium asserts that it exercises the authority it holds from Christ to the fullest extent when it defines dogmas, that is, when it proposes, in a form obliging Catholics to an irrevocable adherence of faith, truths contained in divine Revelation or also when it proposes, in a definitive way, truths having a necessary connection with these."

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

FRAJM, no kidding, yet the current pope is trying to make into dogma climate change and its causes, how he interprets Vatican II and his psychological diagnosis of traditionalists. Can he do that. He thinks so. He's the supreme pontiff. He even said that the ordinary form of the Mass is to be definitively held as the only Mass allowed in the Roman Rite--yes, he dogmatized that kind of nonsense.

TJM said...

And only 30% of the people who bother to attend the OF believe in the Real Presence. That is the question that needs to be addressed. Period.

Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said...

No, Fr. ALLAN McDonald, no kidding.

Pope Francis has made NO attempt to make "climate change and its causes" dogma. This is just more of your typical hysterical gibberish, getting close to Marjorie Taylor Greene's latest accusations against Bill Gates wanting to force us into eating fake meat made in a Peach Tree Dish. Yes, she said "Peach Tree Dish."

Policy isn't dogma. Preference isn't dogma. Pope Francis isn't attempting to make policy or preference into dogma. You claim is as baseless as it is absurd.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

I work in Georgia, although a South Carolina resident, and I have a peach tree dish! What's the problem?

Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said...

Not recognizing there is a problem is the problem. People accept disinformation uncritically, mistaking it for the truth.

Anonymous said...

Pope Francis has followed Pope Benedict XVI, "the Green Pope," who had issued several declarations in regard to climate change.

Pope Benedict even linked the environment to the Holy Eucharist. (More about that below.)

Pope Benedict XVI insisted that climate change is real...

-- world peace is linked to our care for the environment...

-- Western nations consume far too many of earth's resources...

-- Western economies must downsize.

Pope Benedict XVI supported initiatives by the United Nations that combatted climate change.

Here are just a few climate change-related declarations from Pope Benedict XVI:

“Can we remain indifferent before the problems associated with such realities as climate change, desertification, the deterioration and loss of productivity in vast agricultural areas, the pollution of rivers and aquifers, the loss of biodiversity, the increase of natural catastrophes and the deforestation of equatorial and tropical regions?

"Can we disregard the growing phenomenon of 'environmental refugees', people who are forced by the degradation of their natural habitat to forsake it – and often their possessions as well – in order to face the dangers and uncertainties of forced displacement? Can we remain impassive in the face of actual and potential conflicts involving access to natural resources?”

“All these are issues with a profound impact on the exercise of human rights, such as the right to life, food, health and development,” he added.

“The concerns for non-violence, sustainable development, justice and peace, and care for our environment are of vital importance for humanity.

"They cannot, however, be understood apart from a profound reflection on the innate dignity of every human life from conception to natural death: a dignity conferred by God himself and thus inviolable,” he said.

He even managed to work the topic into his 2007 apostolic exhortation “Sacramentum Caritatis”, on the topic of Eucharist as the source and summit of the life and mission of the Church.

Pope Benedict XVI noted that when “the priest raises to God a prayer of blessing and petition over the bread and wine, ‘fruit of the earth,’ ‘fruit of the vine’ and ‘work of human hands...With these words, the rite not only includes in our offering to God all human efforts and activity, but also leads us to see the world as God's creation, which brings forth everything we need for our sustenance.

"The world is not something indifferent, raw material to be utilized simply as we see fit."

"Rather, it is part of God's good plan, in which all of us are called to be sons and daughters in the one Son of God, Jesus Christ.”


Mark Thomas

TJM said...


Here’s a research project for you. Pope Francis said air conditioning is “harmful consumption.” Please find out if he has shut his off at the Vatican.

Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said...

The Pope's Perceptive Paragraph About Air Conditioning

Jerome Merwick said...

This entire conversation is just another big nothingburger.

What is or isn't dogma would be relevant, were it not for the fact that the overwhelming majority of baptized Catholics apparently neither know nor care what dogma means. Thus, as Pope Benedict observes, we get decade upon tedious decade of priests and theologians treating the Second Vatican Council as a "superdogma".

If Catholics actually knew, understood and cared about what dogma is, we would see and experience a VERY different Church than the weekly Protestantized ritual we suffer through and the public displays of defiance by our politicians (and public displays of enabling by our bishops). But most of us don't know, and, scarily enough fewer even seem to care. But they're going to care, OH, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO CARE!

Don't get me wrong. I agree with Father K about the nature of dogma and I agree with Fr. McDonald, that, although the current pope doesn't use the exact nomenclature, he apparently IS treating climate change and liturgical revisionist fascism as if they were dogma.

So what's to bicker about?

Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said...

No, Pope Francis is NOT "...treating climate change and liturgical revisionist fascism as if they were dogma." There is no evidence that he is.

But, you don't like Pope Francis, so you exaggerate his plainly non-dogmatic comments, creating a very convenient straw man against which you then can rant and rave as part of your condemnation of him and others with whom you disagree on matters of policy and regulation.

"Exact nomenclature" is not some wishy-washy concept when it comes to stating that which is dogma and that which is not. Theology is a science, and its weights and measures are the very precise words and phrases used in expressing our understanding of Divine Revelation.

TJM said...

Fr. K still can't answer why only 30% of Catholics who bother to go the OF believe in the Real Presence. Sounds to me like it is the OF that should be suppressed because it is not doing its job.

Mark Thomas still has not done his research assignment.

Jerome Merwick said...

Yeah, right, Father Kavanaugh! That's it! Thanks for setting me straight!

Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said...

Well, Jerome, some people need more "setting straight" than others. Glad to oblige.