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Wednesday, May 17, 2023

POPE FRANCIS HAS CALLED THE CHURCH, ALL OF US, TO BE A LISTENING CHURCH—WHY ARE THERE SO MANY WHO ARE OPPOSED TO LISTENING TO DISAGREEING VOICES?

Thus, the synodal process entails bishops’ consultation of the faithful throughout the world, he noted, “with particular attention paid to anything that the most alienated souls might suggest,” those whom Francis refers to as on the “peripheries.”


Progressives who support every word and opinion of Pope Francis as guided by the Holy Spirit and thus infallible, were outraged by Bishop Strickland posing his opinion about the dangers of Pope Francis’ creeping infallibility. 

Be sure of this, if someone is telling you that this, that or the other of the synodal Church is of the Holy Spirit and thus not to be questioned, question the hell out of it! It isn’t infallible except for the creeping infallibility community. 

Thus, as a part of the synodal Church, we need to listen carefully to Bishop Strickland and the SSPX when they speak the truth.

What this SSPX priest writes about is exactly what I was taught in the seminary, a very Pope Francis’ seminary, in the late 1970’s, before the election of St. Pope John Paul II. The hierarchical Church along with its Patriarchy had to be turned upside down. 

We know that the SSPX is in an irregular situation with the Church, euphemistically called “schismatic” but it hasn’t been declared officially to be in schism since the pope has to do that and no pope has issued a formal document stating they are. 

Thus listen to what the SSPX is saying. They are saying exactly what I was taught the Church should become way backwards in the late 1970’s! Press the title:

Synod aims to turn Church upside down so that ‘sheep become the shepherds’: SSPX Superior General


Fr. Davide Pagliarani declared that the Synod on Synodality shows a revolutionary conception of the Catholic Church in which God reveals Himself through the ‘experience of the people of God’ rather than through Scripture and Tradition.

53 comments:

monkmcg said...

The Pope has taken the hypocritic oath: Listen to anyone as long as they agree with me.

TJM said...

monkmcg,

LOL - true!

Anonymous said...

The True Church has rejected Father Davide Pagliarani's assessment of the Synod.

Father McDonald, your bishop has rejected Father Davide Pagliarani's assessment of the Synod. My bishop has rejected Father Davide Pagliarani's assessment of the Synod.

One diocese, as well as Eparchy, after another, has rejected Father Davide Pagliarani's assessment of the Synod.

Pope Francis has delineated the correct, orthodox understanding of the Synod. Conversely, Father Davide Pagliarani has delineated a false understanding of the Synod.

Therefore, the Holy People of God, who submit in humble fashion to Pope Francis' teachings, reject Father Davide Pagliarani's false concept of the Synod.

God raised Jorge Bergoglio, not Davide Pagliarani, to teach, govern, and sanctify His Holy People.

Therefore, Father Davide Pagliarani would do well to follow Pope Benedict XVI's orthodox example: That is, to render his "unconditional reverence and obedience" to Pope Francis.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

TJM said...

Mark Thomas,

You could set a good example by apologizing to Father McDonald for lying about his statement a while back. We are waiting.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Mark! Why are you opposing Pope Francis. His holiness wants to listen to all voices, even schismatics like the Coptics and even the poor SSPX priest more in full communion with Pope Francis than the Coptics. Pope Francis even wants to hear from non Christians, atheists and agnostics. I am shocked at your Oporto Pope Francis!

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Opposition

Sacerdos Simplex said...

Mark Thomas,

Rarely do I comment on this site but for some reason today I felt compelled to tell you that you are a rather tiresome individual with little to offer except for an irrational support of everything which Pope Francis says and does regardless of whether or not his “positions” are in keeping with the tradition of the church. Countless instances of the Pope’s failure to understand that he is the servant of the deposit of faith and not its master have been recounted here and elsewhere. Yet, you continue to thoughtlessly proclaim everything that he says and does is Orthodox. Do us all a favor and quietly fade into the background. This priest would consider it a blessing.

Catechist Kev said...

Well said, Mister Sacerdos Simplex.

Thank you!

Anonymous said...

Father McDonald said..."Mark! Why are you opposing Pope Francis. His holiness wants to listen to all voices, even schismatics like the Coptics and even the poor SSPX priest more in full communion with Pope Francis than the Coptics. Pope Francis even wants to hear from non Christians, atheists and agnostics. I am shocked at your Oporto Pope Francis!"

Father McDonald, thank you for your reply...as well as the opportunity to respond to your comments. You, and I, agree that Pope Francis desires widespread participation within the Synod/Synodal process.

Unfortunately, Father Pagliarani has not participated in the Synod. He has refused to participate in the Synod. Rather, Father Pagliarani has attacked the Synod in horrific fashion.

Pope Francis declared that "the Synod is not a parliament or an opinion poll; the Synod is an ecclesial event and its protagonist is the Holy Spirit."

The Synod/Synodal Process is the beautiful, orthodox gathering of God's Holy People. We gather as One People to discern the path down which the Holy Ghost has called us to travel.
The Synod is all about the guidance of the Holy Ghost.

Conversely, Father Pagliarani has assigned evil to the Synod.

He has claimed, in opposition to Church teaching, that the purpose of the Synodal process is "to turn the Church upside-down. The teaching-Church no longer sees itself as the custodian of a Revelation coming from God..."

That does not correspond in any way to that which Pope Francis has delineated as proper participation in regard to the Synodal process.

In addition, Father Pagliarani offered the following horrific comment:

"This is a brief description of the mechanism triggered by the synodality, and this is why we find ourselves faced with the most accomplished example of modernism."

In regard to the Synod/Synodal process, Father Pagliarani finds heresy.

Conversely, Father McDonald, your bishop, my bishop...Holy Mother Church...finds the Holy Ghost at work.

Father Pagliarani has spoken. He has assigned evil to the True Church's Holy Ghost-driven Synod/Synodal process.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said...

Sacerdos - So, in your view, we are to disbelieve Mark Thomas' assertions regarding the orthodoxy of Pope Francis' views, but we are to take at face value with no question your assertion that the Pope has failed, "...to understand that he is the servant of the deposit of faith and not its master...".

One of the things I find tiresome is those who, when their positions are challenged or when someone disagrees with their understanding of what constitutes the deposit of faith, the why don't you "...quietly fade into the background..." plea is hauled out, rather than a thoughtful response or, if warranted, correction.

TJM - If Mark Thomas is to apologize for lying about Fr. ALLAN McDonald, you might consider doing the same regarding your repeated lies about me.

Paul said...

Mark,

If Francis declared the worst aspects or fruits of the German Sin-odal Way to have been inspired by the Holy Ghost - would you agree?

Anonymous said...

SSPX leaders have a long history of having spewed venom at our Holy Popes.

Archbishop Lefebvre denounced Popes Saint Paul VI, as Saint John Paul II, as apostates.

"The present acts of John Paul II and the national episcopates illustrates, year by year, this radical change in the conception of the Faith, the Church, the priesthood, the world, and salvation by grace. John Paul II encourages the false religions to pray to their false gods — an immeasurable, unprecedented scandal."

"The rupture does not come from us, but from Paul VI and John Paul II who break with their predecessors."

"...the Roman authorities turn their backs on their predecessors and break with the Catholic Church, and they put themselves at the service of the destroyers of Christianity and of the universal Kingdom of Our Lord Jesus Christ."

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The SSPX denounced Pope Benedict XVI as a blasphemer. They accused him of have been the cause of grave scandal against God.

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Bishop Fellay spewed venom at Pope Francis. Bishop Fellay denounced Pope Francis as a "modernist."

Now, Father Pagliarani has spewed his venom at Pope Francis.

Our holy Popes in question have done everything that they have thought possible to convince the SSPX to return to full-communion with the Church.

Our holy Popes in question — Pope Francis, most of all — have gone to tremendous lengths to extend mercy to the SSPX. In turn, the Society of Saint Pius X has accused our holy Popes in question of evil.

The SSPX has attributed grave sins to Popes Saint Paul VI, Saint John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis. In vicious fashion, the SSPX has, over and over, attacked said holy Popes.

The SSPX has portrayed said holy Popes as destroyers of the Church.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Anonymous said...

The SSPX has taken the view that they hold the True Faith. Conversely, from Pope Saint John XXIII to date, our holy Popes have succumbed to Modernism, according to the SSPX.

The SSPX has claimed that our holy Popes have taught grave errors. The SSPX has attributed grave sins to our holy Popes.

The SSPX believes that they have the authority to "correct" our Popes. The SSPX has made it known that they are on a mission to restore to Rome the True Faith.

Conversely, the Society has rejected our holy Popes' many merciful attempts to correct the SSPX.

Father Pagliarani's latest interview/attack upon Pope Francis/Holy Mother Church's Holy Ghost-driven Synod has reiterated the SSPX's decades-long message:

The fullness of Faith is found in Econe, not Rome. The SSPX, rather than Rome, determines that which is orthodox.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Paul said...

"Mark" I note an improvement in style if not in content; and an improvement in outward form if not in substance..

"Mark" , are you a real person? What actually are you?! I fear you might have been created by IT experts in an intelligence unit of The People's Liberation Army of Communist Party of China - an updated and improved AI unit created, with devilish dexterity, by Chinese military Artificial intelligence experts with research stolen from Silicon Valley (with 9 Biden family members receiving $3 million each in kick backs)...

"Mark" nothing else could explain the inhuman love affair with a quite below average Bishop of Rome...on the level of a 13 year old western girl who maintains a level of slavish devotion to the same Korean Boy Band from age 13 through a decade to be 23 with a failed marriage behind her and supporting 3 children on 2 minimum wage jobs - in real life - a highly unlikely, in human terms, phenomenon !!

Are you a sort of bot - programmed to spout what you have for a decade now?
I detect dark postmodern inhuman forces at work in your creation..

TJM said...

"TJM - If Mark Thomas is to apologize for lying about Fr. ALLAN McDonald, you might consider doing the same regarding your repeated lies about me."

I am not lying about you. You vote what you believe!!! Abortion is healthcare!!! That's a core belief of the Democratic Party. When you vote Dem you vote for this. Simple logic, something you apparently lack, like Mark Thomas!

TJM said...

Paul,

You may be onto something.

ByzRus said...

"He has assigned evil to the True Church's Holy Ghost-driven Synod/Synodal process."

Given how inept this process has been thus far, I suspect the Holy Ghost long ago ran screaming in the other direction.

ByzRus said...

Folks,

Regarding Mark Thomas, he "declared" in 2023 AD that he does not spend time reading posts that do not interest him.

I suggest we do the same. Let him have his say and, otherwise, ignore his posts. Despite making some of the com pages semi-unreadable with endless quotations and dashes, provide him with the berth he desires to make his speeches. He would have been perfect for the Cultural Revolution in China during the 60's and '70s; he could both wave his red book and quote from it freely being surrounded by a receptive audience.

Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said...

TJM - You are a liar, plain and simple. IF you reasoning were "simple logic," which is it not, then when you woted for Tump you voted for grabbing married women by the p***y and an assortment of other vulgar and immoral practices of the former presidnet.

See how your argument is not "simple logic"?

Unless, of course, you DO support sexual battery against women...

TJM said...

ByzRus,

Touche! The Holy Ghost is inspiring the apostasy in Germany?

ByzRus said...
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TJM said...

Fr K,

You voted for Bill Clintoon who makes Trump look like an altarboy and Joe Biden does not have exactly a clean record either. What does that make you? You still have not given us a proportionate reason that over-rides murdering the innocent unborn. You would have been tossed out years ago if the Church actually practiced what she teaches.

Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said...

TJM - You don't believe that ANY proportionate reasons exist. WHy would I bother explaining anything to you?

So, I will start announcing to the world that, based on how you vote, you favor and encopurage sexual battery against women, using the same "simple logic" you employ. Sounds fair to me.

Paul said...

TJM,

🙏Amen!!!

Paul said...

Certain typos CAN indicate an overindulgance in certain brewed beverages..by certain Catholic clerics...at certain times and places that are especially stressful to any Catholic cleric, fearing he has yet again lost a debate or argument while still convinced that the highest theological truths about God and mankind are to be found in such texts as Rahner for Dummies; Kung for beginners; and the policies and practices of the US Democratic Party on 2023...

Catechist Kev said...

Paul, you forgot Edward Schillebeeckx for the alphabet soup folk. 😏

TJM said...

Father K,

It is obvious you are intellectually and spiritually bankrupt when you can’t offer ONE example of a proportionate reason reason for justifying the killing of the innocent unborn. Adolf salutes you. Enjoy the same fate as Mr. McCarrick, your comrade in deceit!

TJM said...

Fr K,

Voting for Bill Clintoon defines you as a supporter of raping women! Enjoy Hell

TJM said...

Father K,

We have had evil priests since the beginning - you have confirmed it. You would be better off in the secular world with your kind - for decency’s sake I will not out you but most folks can figure you out for what you are - certainly not an orthodox Catholic priest

Anonymous said...

During last week's town hall meeting, Donald Trump reiterated his support for abortion.

As he had declared in 2016 A.D, as well as 2020 A.D, Donald Trump insisted that it's legitimate to abort babies conceived via rape, incest, or, if the mother is at risk of dying.

A vote for pro-abortion Joe Biden constitutes a vote for abortion supposedly.

Therefore, would not a vote for pro-abortion Donald Trump constitute a vote for abortion?

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said...

TJM - Having had your fallacious "logic" exposed, you now resort to your typical meaningless bully tactics.

You will not act, "For decency's sake..." Why, suddenly, is decency a value to you?

Oh, and what's Cher's mood today? Decent, inquiring minds want to know...

TJM said...

Father K,

Here is more from your senile leader, The Grifter in Chief. Defend this.

"President Joe Biden showed up at the pro-abortion EMILY’s List gala, where he said “I also want to thank my buddy Kamala who I work for up in the White House for leading on this issue.”

The Dem Party's raison d'etre today is abortion. Period. They have nothing else, unless grooming little children floats your boat or flooding the country with illegal aliens, many of them dangerous.

Paul said...

Fr K and Mark,

One word comes to mind:

Pathetic.

Regards,

P.

Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said...

Paul - When I read you posts, I, a "ginge," "cringe," and the same "one word" comes to mind.

Regards...

Anonymous said...

The following pertains to Catholics who present themselves as 100 percent pro-lifers who support Donald Trump:

Said folks despise any reminder that Donald Trump supports abortion.

They insist that a vote for a pro-abortion politician, except for Donald Trump, is a vote for abortion.

Therefore, the blood of unborn babies is on the hands of a Catholic who votes for a pro-abortion politician (Donald Trump exempted), according to said folks.

It is undeniable that Donald Trump supports abortion. He has insisted that in various cases, abortion is a legitimate practice. It is valid, for example, to kill an unborn baby who was conceived vis rape or incest, according to Donald Trump.

It is valid, for example, to kill an unborn baby when the mother's life is at risk supposedly, according to Donald Trump..

Nevertheless, the folks in question pretend that Donald Trump is 100 percent pro-life...he's against abortion they claim/pretend. Said folks jump through hoops to justify their support for pro-abortion Donald Trump.

Said folks are aware of their inconsistent claim that it is evil to vote for a pro-abortion politician while they would not hesitate to vote for pro-abortion Donald Trump.

In turn, said folks bash and trash anybody who notes the above double standard.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Paul said...

Fr K - Reread 7.14 for a good example of "unhinged", LOL!👍

Paul said...

Fr K,

An average bright 13 year old could tell when you post here during a binge.

👍LOL😉...

Paul said...

Fr K,

1. Please define "encopurage"...

2. It does not take a genius to rightly guess your contributions to the alphabet soup phenomenon...😉

Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said...

Paul -

Regards. LOL

Paul said...

...that flesh hath purged what flesh had stained/ and God, the flesh of God hath reigned..

Oh, by the way, can anyone here think of one word that describes being Catholic but quite blinded and limited by the fashions of our age?

Paul said...

Kavanaughesque?

TJM said...

Another example how depraved Academia and Dems (but I repeat myself) have become:

"Princeton University recently hosted a feminist musical comedy, performed by students, promoting abortion and featuring other leftist themes.

The musical, held April 21-22 and titled “To All the Babies I’ve Killed Before: A Love/Hate Letter to Storytelling,” was written by Princeton senior Jenni Lawson.

The Program Information page states that the play “aims to investigate the challenges of being heard and cultivating self-empowerment as a queer, cognitively-disabled (ADHD) woman in artistic spaces that traditionally center archaic, western, patriarchal narratives grounded in firm structures of storytelling and comedy.”


But many corrupt bishops and clerics vote to empower instrinsic evil!

TJM said...

Mark Thomas,

Does George Soros, pay you to post your tripe? Donald Trump who started no new Hot Wars, raised the living standards of the working classes and gave us Justices who reversed the evil Roe v Wade could care less what people like you think. He's done more for the unborn that the worthless pope who have in Rome. You'll never get it. You need to abandon Texas so you can live in an abortion mill state like California, Illinois, and New York, where you will also pay record state taxes and be exposed to hellacious crime, compliments of Dem policies.

Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said...

Please define "encopurage"...

Well, that should be bovious.

rcg said...

@FrK: 😂

Paul said...

Fr K,

Is that attempted witticism original or plagiarized - or offered to you by a sympathetic friend?

Sane AND Sober minds seek an answer!

Paul said...

As a former betting man; what are the odds "bovious" will be Fr K's last word here?

100-1 or a 1000-1 perhaps?

Odds based on other commentators' observation of an almost OCD based compulsion to have the last word...

I wonder what psychological co-morbidities often accompany such OCD traits?

Hmmmm?

PS I apologize if to write OCD and compulsion in the same sentence is tautology...but perhaps not - when more than one type of compulsion exists within one individual?

Interesting...


TJM said...

Hey, this HAS to be a relative of Fr K! Kavanaughs seem to be drawn to the Party of Moloch and
Child Grooming!

"The bill, which was ultimately approved by [Nebraska] lawmakers and sent to Republican Gov. Jim Pillen's desk to become law, bans sex change procedures for minors, as well as abortion after 12 weeks of pregnancy.

In voicing her disapproval to the measure Friday morning, state Democrat Sen. Machaela Cavanaugh slapped the lectern and repeatedly shouted: "Transgender people belong here, we need trans people, we love trans people."

I saw her photo. She could be a relative!

Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said...

I was at the zoo yesterday. I'm pretty sure I saw relatives of TJM there...

Paul said...

TJM,

Hopefully not kissing cousins ?!😉

P.

TJM said...

Fr K,

At least my relatives don’t think abortion is healthcare and love grooming children like you and yours. The zoo animals have more decency!

TJM said...

Hey Father K,

I see the sanctuary city mayor of New York now thinks illegal aliens need to be spread throughout the US when NY is getting a fraction of what the southern states have to deal with. He sounds like a Pharisee! Why don’t you support a dozen at your rectory out of your personal savings lest we think you are a pharisee too! The Clintoons, Bidens and Obamas should too along with the editorial boards of the NY Times and Washington Post. Or are you part of the NIMBY Club?

Paul said...

NIMBY Or NIMP ?

Not In My Presbytery !