Sunday, December 20, 2020


 Any objective criteria for choosing music for Mass or is it completely subjective and based upon personal, highly individualistic, tastes? What to choose? What to choose? O! What are we to choose????

 Is this one liturgically appropriate besides the fact that the musical criteria is excellent for a performance:


 What about this one? 


 And then we have this one to choose: 


Or perhaps this one?


Anonymous said...

I might be able to contribute here soon regarding “objective liturgical criteria” as I have recently completed the great Catholic text : “The Gospel According to St James Martin” and will shortly finish reading the profound “Pope Francis Talks in His Sleep” by Austen Ivory, and the last chapter of this book is on Catholic liturgy!

Anthony C.

Anonymous said...

What “objective liturgical criteria” exist that would make it objectively problematic for a theological commission in the near future to recommend a few small changes to the “Our Father” including in the Lord’s Prayer, for example, some references to climate change, diversity, equity and vaccinations?

Anonymous said...

I purchased this CD for self and Christmas gifting to several folk. Old and yet new. Very pretty music, very professional production by classically trained husband/wife team of no little production experience and able to make even the several cloistered who are tone deaf, and yet wished to participate (a term for agreeing to the recording), sound angelic.

Anonymous said...

What would be the objective, liturgical criteria for this New Zealand protestant version of the Our Father not to be sung in a Catholic church?

This version honestly starts:

"Our Father, Mother,
Who are in the world
and surpass the world,

Blessed be your presence,
in us, in animals and flowers,
in still air and wind.

May justice and peace dwell among us,
as you come to us.

Your will be our will;

You will that we be sisters and brothers,
as bread is bread, water is itself.


Anonymous said...

What objective theological standards exist that would exclude the following version of the Our Father (from the California Christian Unity Church) from Catholic worship?

"Our Mother,
which are the earth,
Nurturing are thy ways.
Thy web of life be woven
Thy way be found within,
As it is all around.

Thank you this day for our daily bread and sweat
And forgive us our misuse of you,
As we forgive others their misuse of us.

And lead us not into exploitation,
But deliver us
From lording it over you,
And over each other,
And over all our other fellow creatures.

For thine are the waters of life,
The hills, valleys and plains of home,
The breeding, seeding, feeding ground,
For now, and for as close to forever
As we will ever come.

Ah woman !

Is this yet another example where there can be no objective theological and aesthetic judgements made of the above because such judgements have been different, with different people in 1020, 1520, 1920 and 2020 and will be different again in 2120 etc, as has been explained to us at length on this blog by a recent contributor ?

Anonymous said...

I find none of them helps me raise my heart to God in prayer.....I expected to like the "Chant" version and felt like I was being pulled into a dark hole from the first note.

Lets keep looking.......

John Nolan said...

It depends on how you define 'liturgical'. There are some for whom everything which happens in the context of a church service is liturgical. This would include dance, pop music, non-standard texts, ad-libbing and so on. These people would either deny that there is such a thing as liturgical tradition, or argue that it is no longer relevant to modern man. An operatic setting of the Pater Noster sung by an accomplished diva would not present any difficulty except that it makes participation of the people more or less impossible.

The established tradition was for the Pater Noster to be chanted by the celebrant with the people responding 'sed libera nos a malo'. That this is a long-standing practice is evidenced by the fact that the chant is one of the most ancient that has come down to us, and its musical structure makes it clear that 'sed libera' is a response.

However, in 1958 congregations were encouraged to pray the Pater aloud with the priest (at Low Mass only, and it was not widely adopted). In 1964 this was extended to the sung Mass. The novelty of this was scarcely remarked on at the time.

The third example, a simple chant sung together by priest and people, would seem to be most suited to present circumstances. If you insist on the vernacular, the chant given in the Missal is very close to the traditional Latin chant.