Saturday, June 20, 2015


Pope Francis' leadership is paying off in Roma!

Hundreds of thousands rally in Rome against gay unions


A woman holds up a T-shirt during a rally against gay unions in Rome's San Giovanni square on June 20, 2015
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Rome (AFP) - Hundreds of thousands of Italians gathered in Rome Saturday to demonstrate against gay unions and the teaching of gender theories in schools, as Prime Minister Matteo Renzi tries to push a civil union bill through parliament.

Holding aloft banners reading "The family will save the world" and "Let's defend our children", a sea of people crammed into the San Giovanni square near the Italian capital's historic centre to support family values.

The square, which can hold an estimated 300,000 people, was overflowing with the young, elderly and parents with toddlers, an AFP photographer said, with many more demonstrators spilling into nearby streets. Organisers for their part said one million people were taking part. Italian police never provide figures for demos.

"In my children's schools they are talking about families made up of two fathers or two mothers, without asking parents' permission," said 41-year old doctor Giuseppe Ripa, adding: "It's dangerous and wrong."

Fellow protester Piero Uroda, a 78-year-old pharmacist, said it was "not honest to say these things to the very young, it's not like they are students who can debate these ideas."
"I don't want gay marriage or gay adoption, the natural family is like ours," he said, pointing to his relatives gathered around.

- 'Defending children's future' -

The protest comes as the Italian senate examines a civil union bill, which Renzi wants to see go to a vote in the coming weeks, with the aim of legislation being enacted before the end of July.
The call for Italy to keep pace with its western European neighbours on the issue has grown stronger since Ireland voted overwhelmingly in favour of gay marriage last month.

But rights activists warn it will be no mean feat for the leader of the centre-left Democratic Party to find allies across the political spectrum, blaming an excessive influence of the Catholic clergy on the political class.

While a survey published by Italian daily La Stampa at the end of May found that 51 percent of voters would support gay marriage, protesters in Rome said the state should stop trying to interfere in sexual or gender education.

"We are asking for families based on marriage be respected, and stressing the central role parents play. We forcefully reject the attempt to sneak into the curriculum projects which aim to destroy children's sexual identities," said Massimo Gandolfini, spokesman for the "Defend our children!" committee.

There were both cries of support and derision from the political sphere.

Matteo Salvini, rising star on the far right and head of the Northern League party, sent a Facebook 
 "hug for all the mummies and daddies protesting peacefully in Rome to defend their children's future."

Vincenzo Brana, head of the long-standing Arcigay gay rights association in Bologna, was quick to point out that "today is World Refugee Day", with hundreds of thousands of migrants in Italy facing an uncertain future.

Their problems "are an urgent issue which concerns us all. Those who take to the streets to talk of other things show they are living on another planet, and I would recommend leaving them on that planet alone."


Angry Augustinian said...

Well, was the Pope there? Has he said anything in support of it?

George said...

It is good to see so many people standing up publicly in support for Church teaching and God's Holy law on what constitutes marriage. If only we would see this kind of public witness in support of Traditional marriage in the U.S.

Anonymous said...

Apparently this is about "gender theory" being taught in schools. I read up on it and this has very little to do with gay couples and everything to do with sexism. The main instruction is encouraging boys and girls to learn about new roles in society. There is a game where men are shown caring for children and women as fire fighters. Is the Catholic Church against this sort of "gender confusion"? It seems likely given that Pope Francis is constantly railing against this. And I find it awful and very upsetting. Why must the Catholic Church support keeping women submissive and in the kitchen? Why can't it affirm that it is good for women to be professionals and even leaders? And why can't such gender equality be taught in schools?

Angry Augustinian said...

A lot of men I know care for their children. I've done everything with mine but have them and nurse them. That should go without saying. It does not mean boys should be encouraged to act like girls and vice versa. When has the Church ever advocated keeping women submissive and in the kitchen?

MR said...

Good for the Italians, but to credit Francis for this is beyond stretching it. As Pope he has literally never once said that homosexual acts are immoral, or that homosexual marriage is immoral.

Angry Augustinian said...

BTW, the Pope has quotes from an Islamic Poet in his encyclical. Is that not deliberately provocative…including quotes from professed heretics and enemies of the Faith in an encyclical. I mean, couldn't he have quoted John Denver from Rocky Mountain High or something from the Coca Cola song?

Anonymous said...

MR, why is there so much false witness against the Holy Father.

He must be doing plenty of things right if the Prince of Lies is against him.

FEB. 4

Pope Francis has given his blessing to a referendum that would ban marriage and adoption rights for same-sex couples in Slovakia, BuzzFeed News reports.

"I greet the pilgrims from Slovakia and, through them, I wish to express my appreciation to the entire Slovak church, encouraging everyone to continue their efforts in defense of the family, the vital cell of society," Francis declared during Wednesday’s general audience in Rome.

jAN. 16
MANILA, Philippines (CNS) -- Appealing to the traditional values of Filipino Catholic families, Pope Francis made one of his strongest calls as pope against movements to recognize same-sex unions as marriage.

"The family is also threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage," the pope said Jan. 16, hours after warning that Philippine society was "tempted by confusing presentations of sexuality, marriage and the family."

"As you know, these realities are increasingly under attack from powerful forces which threaten to disfigure God's plan for creation and betray the very values which have inspired and shaped all that is best in your culture," he said.

Late last year he said that preserving the family as an institution based on marriage between a man and a woman is not a political cause but a matter of “human ecology”, as “children have the right to grow up in a family with a father and mother capable of creating a suitable environment for the child’s development and emotional maturity”

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Thanks for the quotes from Pope Francis. The Pope Francis haters who comment on my blog (and can someone be a Catholic and hate the pope, any pope?) remind me of the no-nothings in the south in the early part of the 20th century. Today's no-nothings no nothing of what this pope is saying and do and what they don't like they take out of context (like Bible thumping fundamentalists)in order to spew a message of hatred that is a politicized ideology.

These Pope Francis haters, are anti-Christ in their hatred for the Vicar of Christ, not to mention anti-clerical and anti-Catholic. They are like the no-nothing, Bible thumping, Protestant fundamentalists of another era, yet they claim a veneer of Catholicism.

Angry Augustinian said...

No one hates the Pope, many of us just do not trust him.

Rood Screen said...

The key in these situations is to convince those who remain undecided. The strategy chosen must not be for the sake of pleasing those already convinced of the truth, nor a simplistic denunciation of those already firmly established on the wrong side of the issue.

Unknown said...

They are like the no-nothing, Bible thumping, Protestant fundamentalists of another era, yet they claim a veneer of Catholicism.

I didn't know 17th century Anglicans read your blog...

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 6.57. How do we know that Pope Francis said any of these things or that they weren't taken out of context? There are some Catholics who insist when Pope Francis says negative things against the faith that he has been taken out of context. On the other hand, when he is reported as saying something that they think is positive and upholding the faith, then it is not taken out of context. But the truth is he has said both positive and negatives things as have been widely reported. I think it is fair to say that the bulk of Catholics are confused as to where Pope Francis stands on many issues because he has made so many contradictory remarks.

Maybe the only way to judge Pope Francis is as to the type of person he is surrounding himself with because those people will no doubt be shaping his views. So far the vast majority he is seen with are liberal bishops and cardinals. All his appointees to the synod were liberals. Much to the surprise of many, Pope Francis gave the floor to Cardinal Kasper at the consistitory. I hope very much that Pope Francis is every inch what Fr McDonald and Anonymous 6.57 hope for but I am still to be convinced.

Catholics blogging on this page aren't the only ones concerned about Pope Francis or the people surrounding him. The Polish Bishops have come out and said that they believe that everything that Pope John Paul II The Great put into place is being undermined.

We only have to look at liberation theology, roundly condemned by Pope John Paul II: Fr. Gutierrez. Miguel d'Escoto, a Maryknoll priest from Nicaragua, had been sanctioned with an a divinis suspension from his public functions in 1984 by Pope John Paul II, for political activity in the leftist Sandinista government suspension lifted in August, 2014 by Pope Francis. So who are we to believe a saint or a Pope who has to date left many confused?

As regards the Pope's recent encyclical, concern is being expressed about its support for the sustainable development goals of the UN, particularly when the UN is a promoter of population control, abortion, etc. The UN is already on record as saying the Pope has bound the Catholic Church to the UN climate change agenda.

But I agree with the following:

"Catholics should be reminded that the area of competence for a pope with regard to infallibility lies ONLY with those matters pertaining to the salvation of souls, namely faith and morals. Any discussions on the weather, contentious sciences, or concerns regarding economic resource allocation, except where they intersect with faith and morals, are entirely outside the purview of papal competence.

Those matters within the encyclical pertaining to good stewardship and the care for the poor are to be taken with good grace as a loving guidance from our Holy Father, but we are not bound by obedience on any suggestions or recommendations as to how to implement such advice."


Angry Augustinian said...

Very good, Jan. Thank you.

MR said...

And thats exactly my point. No where in there, or in any other quote as Pope, has he ever simply said that homosexual acts or homosexual marriage are immoral. Never once. Go ahead and look, I'll be waiting.

As for the prince of lies, judging by the reactions from the NY Times, national catholic reporter, pres obama, eugenio scalfari, etc, etc, etc, I'd say the prince of lies is quite happy.

Angry Augustinian said...

There were mass shootings in Detroit and Philly yesterday and no Confederate flags were flying...

Anonymous 2 said...

Anon. Jan said: “Anonymous at 6.57. How do we know that Pope Francis said any of these things or that they weren't taken out of context?”

Anon. Jan does not appear to be on very strong ground when he complains about people taking quotes out of context considering what he did and continues to do with Schellnhuber’s speech in 2009 about the Earth’s carrying capacity. See thread “Say It Ain’t True” originated June 17, 2015.

Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said...

Agrarian reform, an essential part of Social Development, has long been called for by the Church.

"At the same time, the question of equitable agrarian reform in developing countries should not be ignored. The right to food, like the right to water, has an important place within the pursuit of other rights, beginning with the fundamental right to life. It is therefore necessary to cultivate a public conscience that considers food and access to water as universal rights of all human beings, without distinction or discrimination."

Is this some "Marxist" pope spouting off about things he doesn't know? No, it is Benedict XVI, Caritas in Veritate, 27.

Further, "In some countries a redistribution of land as part of sound policies of agrarian reform is indispensable, in order to overcome the obstacles that an unproductive system of latifundium — condemned by the Church's social doctrine [648] — places on the path of genuine economic development. “Developing countries can effectively counter the present process under which land ownership is being concentrated in a few hands if they face up to certain situations that constitute real structural problems, for example legislative deficiencies and delays regarding both recognition of land titles and in relation to the credit market, a lack of concern over agricultural research and training, and neglect of social services and infrastructures in rural areas”.[649] Agrarian reform therefore becomes a moral obligation more than a political necessity, since the failure to enact such reform is a hindrance in these countries to the benefits arising from the opening of markets and, generally, from the abundant growth opportunities offered by the current process of globalization.[650]

[648] Cf Paul VI, Encyclical Letter Populorum Progressio, 23: AAS 59 (1967), 268-269.

[649] Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, Towards a Better Distribution of Land. The Challenge of Agrarian Reform (23 November 1997), 13: Libreria Editrice Vaticana, Vatican City 1997, p. 18.

[650] Cf. Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, Towards a Better Distribution of Land. The Challenge of Agrarian Reform (23 November 1997), 35: Libreria Editrice Vaticana, Vatican City 1997, p. 33.

Angry Augustinian said...

I'm betting the Supreme Court legalizes homo marriage this week. Any takers?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 2, I have responded to you many times and given the full quote as reported on the original video. I have also quoted how the prolife movement is taking this man's comments. You obviously have not read the comment. The prolife movement is asking what Schellnhuber’s plans to do about the 6 billion people already on the planet when he believes that the earth can only carry 1 billion. What do you think he plans to do about it? Why did he make such an illogical statement as the planet can carry only 1 billion when there are already 6 billion on the planet? He has been caught out a number of times on his illogical reasoning and yet he is believed to be behind the POpe's encyclical. I think the Pope has been very ill advised.

Aside from that, I was pointing out the anomaly among those who do not seem to accept that the Pope has said anything negative when it is so obvious that he has.


Anonymous 2 said...

Anon. Jan:

Oh, for goodness sake! I fear we are talking at cross purposes and will never achieve a meeting of the minds on this matter. I pointed out that you and others have misrepresented Schellnhuber’s 2009 speech as reported in the New York Times and you responded with a video interview on a totally different subject to do with Himalayan glaciation.

For the last time, then – Schellnhuber was not advocating reducing the Earth’s population to one billion. He was predicting that it would be reduced to one billion because of the disruptions and devastations caused by global warming. And for the last time here again is the link to the New York Times article. Notice the writer explains that Schellnhuber is making an “apocalyptic prediction” and the headline is “Scientist: Warming Could Cut Population to One Billion”:

You clearly detest Schellnhuber. That is fine except that it seems to have blinded you to the truth. You are entitled to your own opinions. You are not entitled to your own facts.

One final attempt to get through: Schellnhuber does not want to eliminate the several billion. He is trying to save them by urging measures to reduce carbon emissions and thus prevent the devastation of the population that would be caused by the global warming he predicts. Notice: we are not arguing about the accuracy of this prediction but the accuracy of what he said.

Angry Augustinian said...

Schellenburger is a cafeteria scientist.

Angry Augustinian said...

Schellenhuber…not burger…is a cafeteria scientist.

Anonymous said...

I accidentally posted this on another post, so here it is again:

Anon 2 - there have been plenty of news outlets reporting what Schellnhuber was reported by the New York Times to have said. In a recent interview he is now calling all the journalists liars. But as Breitbart reports:

"Instead of suggesting that he was misquoted or that his critics misunderstood what he said at Copenhagen, Schellnhuber called reporters liars: "[It's] a complete lie. You can go back to the original lecture. I gave it in Copenhagen. I know there are some vicious people who try to discredit you. I have never spoken in favor of population control measures. What I said in Copenhagen in 2009 was about the carrying capacity of the earth. There have been estimates since the 1700s on how many people in the earth can you carry, so to speak. This number goes up and down, and some say 10 billion, others 100 billion, some just 100 million."
But, at the Copenhagen speech, as reported in the New York Times, Schellnhuber did not elaborate so extravagantly as he did with Pentin. He did not say estimates of Earth's carrying capacity could be 10 billion or 100 billion. He said the carrying capacity of Earth is estimated "at less than 1 billion," which is what Breitbart News and other outlets reported. It should be noted that radical environmentalists have long proposed what Schellnhuber proposed at Copenhagen, that the carrying capacity of the Earth is 1 billion or less, leaving open the question of what to do with the dangerous excess of six billion."

Of course he also did a backtrack on the Himalayan melt when it was reported how ridiculous it was and it was based on incorrect Himalayan measurement.

In the same link Breibart reports that even in his latest interview he refers to "'population problem,' which is a phrase population control advocates tend to use" and "An interview with Schellnhuber (in German on YouTube) has come to light in which he doubles down on his belief in overpopulation. In the interview he posits that when the Earth reaches nine billion people, which is projected to be very soon, “The Earth will explode” due to resource depletion, which is similar to the now debunked argument first advanced by Paul Erlich in the 1960s that got the modern population control movement humming in the first place."

So Catholics have a right to be concerned about this Godless man and to wonder why Pope Francis chose him as an advisor.


Angry Augustinian said...

JP Morgan is telling their employees not to use the word "wife" because it insults gays and transgenders. You cannot make this stuff up. I think scientists are going to discover that liberalism really is a genetic disorder and that it is somehow spread when hippies marry college professors or academics intermarry with each other.

There is a movement in California to ban road repair…that's right. The goal is that roads will eventually become undriveable and the evil automobile will self-eliminate. I'm not kidding.

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Angry Augustinian said...

I am told that a Texas minister wants to jail women who cry out the Lord's name during sex. So, there are right wing crazies, too. I am going to check this out, as it may be a hoax…in the meantime, only have sex with atheists just to be on the safe side.

Oh, the jokes, the jokes..but, Fr would never post them. *sigh*