Wednesday, October 27, 2021


Or is it a liturgical dance inculturated for the Worldwide Wrestling Audience? 
Or is it liturgical dance of some kind, highly choreographed? 

Could this happen at the Ancient Order of the Ancient Mass (AOOTAM) or could it only happen at the Modern Order of the Ancient Mass (MOOTAM)? 

Questions, questions, questions? Did the priest help to diffuse this situation or did he pour gasoline on it? 

And what’s up with this liturgical space? Did it contribute to this sacrilege during Mass?

It’s all a mystery, but a product, certainly, of the reformed Mass or (MOOTAM). 

You can view the tweeted and shocking video here as I can’t figure out how to post a tweeted video, does anyone know how?


Thomas Garrett said...

One of my greatest fears is that this is going to eventually be a regular occurrence at most weekly Masses, as the Church increasingly becomes both fragmented and a lightning rod of blame by the secular dynasty. Please, dear Lord, let me be wrong.

V for Vendee said...

Not as bad as the recent San Bernardino pagan mass in a supposedly Catholic Church.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

What I find fascinating is that there are some big aggressive dudes at Mass who do not hesitate to jump into action to take this guy out and he himself looks like a bouncer.

Thomas Garrett said...

This video along with your comments Father, present just one more problem with the whole Novus Ordo religion that has replaced the Catholic faith...I'll share a story that parallels this:

I have a very close friend in another city who is an advanced martial arts instructor. One Sunday at Mass, the homily was about to begin and a man came in the back of the church making strange claims about being the Messiah. The priest appeared surprised, and my friend jumped into action. He stood up toe-to-toe with the intruder and said, "You sir, are out of order and you need to leave NOW!" The man kept up his ranting and raving and my friend put him in an armlock and led him out of the church and released him. When he got the man outside, the man calmly informed my friend, "This was staged. It was supposed to be part of Father's homily"--which the priest confirmed after Mass.

Does anyone honestly think this kind of nonsense is part of our Catholic Tradition for worship? Does anyone honestly think this would happen at the Traditional Mass?

There are more men than you think ready to stand up to protect the integrity of the sacraments and safety of their priests.

Thomas Garrett said...

Fr Martin Fox said...

About the scene in the video...

I'm not seeing why this is about the new versus old form of Mass, if the account given (at Where Peter is) is accurate. It seems to be about a disturbed man. Are we to believe that such a person would not interrupt a Traditional Latin Mass?

Many people may not realize that occasionally, disturbed or obsessive people show up at parish offices, at the priest's house, or otherwise make a nuisance of themselves. There is a woman who lives about a half hour away from here who has some sort of obsession and makes constant phone calls. On one level, she seems harmless; but it is rather disturbing to look into a person's face and say, no, you should not be making these calls, please stop, and that person shows no comprehension of why what she is doing is wrong. Over 18 years as a priest I have had interactions with several disturbing people, and seen how easily they can make someone's life miserable; thankfully, it wasn't me. Had I made some wrong moves, it might have been.

Watching this video, I immediately reviewed in my mind how I might have handled it. It appears the man in blue interrupted the Eucharistic Prayer. If that interruption had happened before the consecration, I think I would have simply left the altar and directed the deacon and servers to come with me, for their safety, and sent someone to make an announcement.

The reason I'd remove myself is because I'd know that *I* was the focal point of this disturbed person's outbursts. Also, I learned from this video: it would not at all be good to have a scuffle in the sanctuary, near the altar, so removing myself from the sanctuary makes it more likely the intruder will leave the sanctuary as well.

If the disruption came after the consecration, I would have hastened through the Eucharistic Prayer, Per Ipsum, and immediately consumed the Eucharist, thus completing the sacrifice, and then departed; again, sending someone to the pulpit to explain. And, of course, having someone call the police. This judgment being based on something I read a while back, regarding what to do in the event a priest must bring Mass to a rapid end, due to an emergency. I've never had to do anything like this, but it's not hard to imagine scenarios, other than this one.

I suspect most priests haven't thought much about how to handle such emergencies, but it makes sense to have something worked out in your head before the situation arises. It could an intruder or a tornado or an earthquake or fire, and quick action is required. The priest cannot and must not leave the Blessed Sacrament on the altar, so consuming the Eucharist and abbreviating Mass seems the best option -- while the faithful can be evacuated to safety as well.

ByzRus said...

Fr. Fox. I agree with you. The individual seemed more disturbed and trying to make their point than "taking over". I too have seen a number of disturbed individuals who chronically do one thing or another. I remember one pour soul (R.I.P.), an elderly woman, whose family would effectively dump her at church on Sunday mornings presumably just to get a break. Not all these folks are evildoers, many just have a story and simply need help. Most, as you suggested, either do not understand, or, won't accept that their actions are inappropriate. They are usually somewhat lost unto themselves.

I heard a slightly amusing story of an Orthodox priest who was celebrating Divine Liturgy during which, the church caught fire. As the work had already been started, Fr. was obliged to complete the work. Anyhow, he evidently turned to his son who was serving and told him to go tell his mother to call the fire department, he couldn't leave because he was celebrating liturgy. Evidently, the fire was extinguished with light to moderate damage and the priest was unharmed.

As for old vs new liturgy, what was apparent to me was how easily the altar was bounced out of the way. Fixtures, outside of the proverbial board over the hood of a jeep, seemed to be more solid/permanent prior to all the change.