Pope Francis accepts resignation of bishop who called for council to discuss women priests
Bishop who called for council to discuss women priests resigns (CNA) Pope Francis on Monday accepted the resignation of a Swiss bishop who recently called for a council to discuss women priests. The Holy See press office announced Feb. 8 that the pope had accepted the resignation from the office of auxiliary bishop of the Diocese of Basel, Switzerland, presented by Bishop Denis Theurillat…
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Forced out for the good of the Church. Bravo Pope Francis!
yes, the message sent is, "You call this progressive!? Let me send you a REAL progressive."
Nice, I guess. But, as is typical of this pontificate, we get a tug of orthodoxy here and there and a whole lot of "evolved new thinking" everywhere else.
Since I'm not the pope, I can't set policy, but it seems to me the first thing Pope Bergoglio should do is publicly repent of bringing idols into the Vatican and Rome's churches and re-consecrate the places where that filthy thing was brought.
Instead, we'll probably see copies in our parish gift shops before next Christmas.
Inconsistency and confusion is not--I repeat--NOT a fruit of the Holy Spirit.
Wake up, Catholics. The Church and our nation both are in parallel tailspins: We have no leadership. Pray, do penance and do some more. It's only going to get uglier.
The biological solution to replacing apostate bishops and Cardinals won’t work because they can recruit more than enough replacements and juniors to stock the pond with crabs indefinitely.
Yes, rcg, you are correct. They will recruit more. The young priests learn how the game is played. In the parish of some friends, there pastor left this last year to take a position in some office at the Vatican. My friends, who are clueless as to what is going on in the Church are elated. On the one or two occasions when I met this priest, he always struck me as a boot licker. Either he has sold his soul already, or he will have to before this is all over.
And the beat goes on.
Does the Church in Germany require another "message" from Pope Francis?
Pope Francis has delivered at least two holy, powerful, clear addresses to the Church/bishops in Germany — they require hints/messages from His Holiness?
CATHOLIC NEWS AGENCY:
-- The situation is dramatic': on the papal letter to Catholics in Germany
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/the-situation-is-dramatic-on-the-papal-letter-to-catholics-in-germany-23488
Pope Francis has spoken in holy, clear, powerful fashion to the Church in Germany. May the Church in Germany heed Pope Francis' teachings.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
I have a different take than rcg and Anonymous at 9:22 AM,
The young priests I see as a group are far more orthodox and traditional than priests older than them. My young pastor, age 32, wears a cassock, only uses Eucharistic Prayer I (the Roman Canon) on Sundays and the propers have been restored. He celebrates the EF once a week. I know many other young priests like him. At some point, this group will be all they have to select bishops and future leaders of the Church. So left-wing loonism will eventually peter out. The guy in the picture will just be a bad memory.
OK--so far I count 2 "holies" from Mark Thomas. That won't even get me slightly tipsy.
I'm afraid I have to agree with RCG more than you anonymous. While I affirm that generally, the younger priests tend to be more orthodox, they are also still ordaining flakes too. And as long as they do, the scum will rise to the top.
Interesting that the unorthodox Bishop is standing in front of a very orthodox altar. If pope Francis is sending a message, it is once again “confusing.” The article states that the Bishop initiated the retirement request, and (I think) the former Bishop will be advocating women priests after retirement.
Tom Marcus,
I see very little evidence that many new priests are flakes. The 3 most recently ordained priests in my diocese are rock solid. These young priests are generally coming from very traditional and pious families, not liberal ones who have few children to spare for the priesthood. Having lived through the awful 1960s I am much more optimistic these days
My concern is that the hierarchy is self-sustaining. I have been fortunate to find good priests at the parish level. However, we must remember that this is due to the tolerance of the hierarchy towards orthodox groups and some individuals. The cancel culture (fascism) is simmering on all social fronts and I expect the orthodox will find themselves being corrected if the pressure on the Church leadership is sufficient.
rcg,
The point I am making is given the traditional nature of younger priests, unless the Church of Rome abandons the office of bishop, Rome will have no choice but to appoint traditionalists as bishops, because the left-wing loons are not joining the priesthood at this point. We probably have another 10-15 years before the loonies are no longer in control
Anon at 2:37. I hope you’re right. But my original point is still a concern. They hierarchy had a pipeline of gay priests from South American and there is no doubt they can, or are, doing it still. The promotion system is a “pull” so that they can pick a ‘mini me’ from any number of good alternatives.
Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong about this. I hope anonymous is right too, but it doesn't look so promising right now!
Tom Marcus,
Christ promised us His Church would be here until the end. I have reason to hope when I see the younger clergy that it will indeed will. If I based my hopes on priests of a certain vintage, including one who snarks here a great deal, I would then have no reason to hope.
An auxiliary bishop for twenty years, he obviously was going nowhere, and there is no reason to believe that his resigation was 'forced' on him by Pope Francis or anyone else.
What has changed over the last fifteen years in England and presumably elsewhere is that orthodoxy is no longer a bar to admission to seminary or ordination. Younger priests would no doubt be castigated by PF as 'rigid' but fortunately he has no part in their selection.
John Nolan
I can’t speak for England, but in the US the younger, newly ordained priests appear orthodox and traditional, in stark contrast to what I saw 30 years ago. My 32 year old pastor wears the cassock, celebrates the EF once a week publicly, and only uses the Roman Canon on Sundays and has replaced the 4 hymn sandwich with the Propers. He has managed to grow the parish during the pandemic.
John Nolan,
When PF declares someone rigid, he is engaging in classic projection. He is rigid and unyielding in his leftism. He also strikes me as not very bright, merely cunning.
John Nolan,
Father Kavanaugh is a slightly more sophisticated version of Mark Thomas. He never responds directly when he is caught intellectually
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