UPDATE! UPDATE! Vatican II's teaching on abortion cannot be ignored. President Biden's local bishops as well as other bishops who are dancing around the issue of President Biden's support for abortion, even late term abortions must heed the words of Pope Francis: NO CONCESSIONS TO THOSE WHO REJECT VATICAN II!
Pope Francis recently said that no concessions should be made toward those who reject the Magisterium of Vatican II. NO CONCESSIONS! This is what Vatican II taught about the grave evil of abortion:
The Second Vatican Council on its Pastoral Constitution "Gaudium et Spes" (The Church in the Modern World) stated when discussing married love and respect for human life:
"The Church wishes to emphasize that there can be no conflict between the divine laws governing the transmission of life and the fastening of authentic married love.
"God, the Lord of Life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes. Man's sexuality and the facility of reproduction wondrously surpass the endowments of lower forms of life. Therefore the acts proper to married life are to be ordered according to authentic human dignity and must be honoured with the greatest reverence." (Ch 51 (A Flannery "Vatican II" 1981 Ed p. 955).
Schism in the Catholic Church is described as breaking Communion with the pope and thus the Church. When one is in schism, one is forbidden from receiving Holy Communion in a Catholic Church in union with the pope.
Is that using Holy Communion as a weapon? No! Holy Communion means that the person receiving Holy Communion is in a state of grace and in full Communion with Jesus Christ and the Church He founded whose visible head is the Vicar of Christ, the pope.
Yet, a small cabal of well placed bishops don’t want to use Holy Communion as a “weapon” against President Joseph Biden and will not censure him by denying him Holy Communion although this president is exporting the democrat party’s ideology of abortion through the 9th month throughout the country and in an imperialistic way throughout the world.
President Biden is in schism with the pope and the Catholic Church and thus with Jesus Christ over his mortal sin as it concerns facilitating abortion worldwide and by law in this country.
Wouldn’t it be best for the immortal soul of the President, that out of love his bishops in Washington and Delaware warn him not to jeopardize his salvation by exacerbating his mortal sin by receiving Holy Communion in a public state of mortal sin.
And what about those Catholics who see President Biden receiving Holy Communion although he is promoting abortion here and worldwide and thus think that abortion isn’t a mortal sin.
What about their eternal salvation bishops?
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And you're STILL expecting these USCCB middle managers to do the right thing?
Father, I'm so over the modern Church, I can't begin to tell you. I'm essentially what you might call a parish orphan.
I don't hate the pope, I pray for him when I remember, but I don't think too highly of him either. If he affirms what the Church has always taught, I applaud and agree. When he contradicts (which seems to be his preferred way of operating), I quietly ignore and consult tradition. Same holds true from the parish I am in. I live in a liturgical wasteland, and I accept it. Summorum Pontificum is pretty much ignored around here, but then again, given the types who run the diocese and the priests who staff the local parishes, I never expected them to honor it in the first place. I attend Mass and try to cultivate my prayer life without any kind of parish support--because no parish IS going to support tradition. And all that "We are the people of God, who vibrantly reflect His..." mission statement blather is utterly meaningless. We are living in a famine of leadership. No shepherds, just administrators. Is it any wonder Joe Biden represents what the USCCB would typify as an "American Catholic"?
The Catholic Church is an empty shell, and I stay because Jesus is present in the sacraments. The hirelings running the operation are just transitioning us into the Ape of the Church that is almost reached its complete fruition. I wish it was different, but it isn't and I can't fix it and no one with any power cares what people like me think.
Well, at least no one has died because they reject Vatican II
Hey, whatever happened to "Vatican II was pastoral rather than doctrinal"? Is pastoral now binding on all the faithful?
Well of course, Vatican II reiterates many dogmatic and doctrinal teachings thus reinforcing those from other councils, like Vatican I and Trent among others. The quote I have from Vatican II concerning the crime of abortion and infanticide isn't just pastoral it is the highest form of teaching that the Church has on moral issues.
William,
The Church is full of "empty cassocks"
Far as I'm concerned, if something from Vatican II resonates with Trent, fine. If not, forget it. The problem with Vatican II is that the apparatchiks who implemented all the novelties for us were counting on us never reading the texts. Maybe if more of us had, they might not have gotten away with all their horrors.
Father, who exactly do you think should talk with Pres. Biden? Should it be his Archbishop Gregory? Good luck with that!
Frankly, I think a lot of us are in the boat with ROTC @ 8:36. We no longer expect much of anything from our Church leadership. The USCCB is meaningless and useless to most of us pewsitters.
Canon law, not Vatican Two nor you, define schism: The Church says, "...schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him." (No 751)
It is not correct to say that ANY act that is in opposition to the doctrine of the Church is schismatic.
Were that the case then ANY sinful act, mortal or venial, would mean that the sinner is in schism.
That is neither the law nor the teaching of the Church.
Mortal sin breaks communion with the Church thus requiring Sacramental Confession for forgiveness and reconciliation with the Church, meaning returning to full communion with the Church and worthily receiving HC.
"Were that the case then ANY sinful act, mortal or venial, would mean that the sinner is in schism."
Mortal sins do not necessarily place a person in schism. CCC 1855: "Mortal sin destroys charity in the heart of man by a grave violation of God's law; it turns man away from God, who is his ultimate end and his beatitude, by preferring an inferior good to him."
Yes, confession is required after mortal sin. No, not every mortal sin results in schism.
Semantics! When you commit a mortal sin, or worse yet, your mortal sin defines you, you have broken Communion with Christ, His Church to include the pope, bishops, priests religious and laity. You are not to receive HC uuntil you are restored to full Communion.
Sin does not necessarily put one into schism. It's not "semantics." It's facts.
If the bishops had the guts to tell Biden the game is over, it would be over. But they won't. They'd prefer millions more American Catholics become disenchanted with their "leadership" and walk away, rather than dealing with this scandal. It has been their pattern since 1974 and I doubt anything will change. Apres moi, le deluge
There are bishops who are raising concern among them the President of the USCCB, Archbishop Gomez.
But there is only one Archbishop who has jurisdiction over President Biden when he is in Washington and that is Cardinal Wilton Gregory. He has options as Biden's Archbishop but it is not for me to second guess only recommend to His Eminence that scandal is scandal and the faithful, are scandalized by a person in power given a pass on such a serious issue that Vatican II called it, the gravest of evils. No concessions to the rich and powerful who do not accept Vatican II.
Father McDonald,
Cardinal Gregory will likely do nothing, so why would the person in the pew take the Church's teaching on human life seriously? Or a young, unmarried pregnant woman? Gregory is no Thomas a Becket. I would be thrilled to be proven wrong.
Father, the mere mention of Archbishop Gregory's name is an act of temptation for many of us--temptation to publish some very uncharitable things.
Not taking the bait, let's just say that he is a VERY disappointing archbishop and his continual climb up the ecclesial career ladder (career, NOT vocation) is like a wound to faithful Catholics, but also just one more reason so many of us have such low (and getting lower) expectations of our Church leadership.
But our good popes, God bless them, keep slapping us in the face by promoting these kinds of "leaders". Anonymous at 3:42 knows what he is talking about. And we keep turning the other cheek. How much longer, Lord?
President Biden has been blessed with the following monumental opportunities:
1. Should he submit, as God has commanded, to holy Pope Francis' Magisterium, he, President Biden, would abandon Satan's abortion, as well sodomite (homosexual "marriage") rackets.
2. Upon his embracement of Pope Francis' Magisterium, President Biden, having joined our holy Pope's defense and promotion of the sanctity of human life, as well as Holy Matrimony, would have the opportunity to inspire other folks to abandon Satan's Culture of Death.
A holy Catholic American president — Joe Biden — who would stand with holy Pope Francis, would benefit the Church, and world, abundantly.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
When Marcel Lefebvre consecrated bishops without papal approval he may or may not have incurred latae sententiae excommunication (interesting that the 1917 Code of Canon Law did not prescribe automatic excommunication for this offence). However, he was careful to avoid anything which might be interpreted as schismatic, for example giving his bishops territorial jurisdiction.
Schism results from definitive choice. The 'Old Catholics' after 1870 removed from the Canon of the Mass not only the pope but also the Roman martyrs. Henry VIII's schism was explicitly defined by Acts of Parliament. To suggest that sin (even mortal sin, even heresy) renders the perpetrator a schismatic is quite simply untrue.
Submission to the Roman Pontiff does not mean (pace Mark Thomas) believing that everything a pope says or does is divinely inspired. Criticism of Vatican II and the pontificate of Paul VI is quite legitimate. These are historical events and historical people, and need to be held up to historical scrutiny.
According to your logic, William Barr should also be denied communion and excommunicated then?
Is Barr making decisions to kill unborn children even by partial birth abortions in the last moments of pregnancy? No concessions to those who promote anti Vatican II ideologies and Vat II CALLED ABORTION AND INFANTICIDE crimes against humanity.
UK - Catholic?
Are you the British cousin of a certain priest who posts here? I detect similar snarkiness
Mark Thomas,
Thanks for the laughs. Neither man you mention evokes a sense of holiness
I've invented a new drinking game. I read Mark Thomas' posts and take a shot every time he uses the word "holy". If he uses it as an adjective with Pope Bergoglio, it's a double. I usually reached the desired state pretty quickly.
No but Barr went on a killing spree in the last weeks of the Trump administration by authorising the death penalty for 13. As you know the catechism states that capital punishment is inadmissible.
I suspect, as a Catholic, Barr knows his faith and knows that the complete exclusion of the death penalty is a recent novelty or development of theology. It has less than a two year history as it is now written in the CCC but Pope St. John Paul II developed the theology of it prior to Francis but left open the possibility of using it if no other means was possible to protect society from a killer.
Thus, you know as well as I, that in no way is this development of theology on the same level of moral certitude as is the Church's 2000 year tradition opposed to abortion and infanticide. It is more or less about a 35 year tradition in one sense and a two year tradition in the other sense and those Catholics have a right to legitimate dissent on it. For crying out loud, even the Church used the death penalty with those who deserve or did not deserve it.
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