FROM RORATE CAELI:
Apostolic Nuncio to the United States: All Bishops Invited to Join Pope in Consecration of Russia and Ukraine
The Holy Father invited each bishop, or equivalent in law, to consecrate Russia and Ukraine with him on March 25 — official letter of the Nuncio to the United States, Archbishop Christophe Pierre.
Communication to each bishop in the world and prayer forthcoming.
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I think this is good if accompanied by proper and sincere contrition and humility. And it raises two questions: first about the message from Sr Lucia affirming it was done and then about the accuracy of the statement portrayed as the Third Secret.
Transparency by the Papacy on this matter would be helpful
Every "statement" from Sister Lucy came by way of LETTERS.
Further, they were typed.
Sister Lucia could not type.
Unverifiable at best. Deceptive at worst.
Please help me, I hear all the time "Consecrate to the Immaculate Heart of Mary." What does that mean? What does consecrate do? Why should a foreign church (Church of Rome) have any say or power in the consecration over a non-Catholic country?
qwikness
It probably means nothing. As Castlereagh said of the Holy Alliance (1815) of Russia, Prussia and Austria, it is a piece of 'sublime mysticism and nonsense'.
It's difficult enough these days being a Catholic and trying to defend universal truths in a relativist age, or even finding authentic Catholic culture and worship. The papacy is dysfunctional and the episcopacy largely spineless.
Talk of the 'third secret' of Fatima is Gnosticism, pure and simple. Had the BVM wished to intervene in human affairs in 1917 she would have appeared to Lenin or Trotsky. Even the 'miraculous' victory at Lepanto can be explained by naval historians.
I still celebrate it, however, as a victory of Christendom over Islam - something entirely absent from the mindset of Pope Francis.
Yeah, now every mystic and visionary approved by the Church and their messages are now all "gnosticism". Let's just dismiss it all, after all, we've advanced ourselves and now we have the light of reason to guide us! And, as John Nolan so eloquently points out, if God or His Mother had any real interest in intervening in human events, they would appear to IMPORTANT people, not the poor, not children, not the insignificant. The very idea that the Blessed Mother would appear to poor shepherd children is sheer madness and anyone foolish enough to believe such nonsense is no smarter than your average pin-setter at the bowling alley!
But for the rest of us backward cretins...
I found this article on Lifesite News that explains more of the reasons no consecration has yet been accepted:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/will-pope-francis-fulfill-our-ladys-specific-conditions-for-the-consecration-of-russia/
It includes these important points from Christopher Ferrara's book The False Friends of Fatima:
1984: On Thursday, March 22, 1984, three days before the consecration of the world at issue, the Carmel of Coimbra was celebrating Sister Lucia’s seventy-seventh birthday. She received on that day, as was her custom, her old friend Mrs. Eugenia Pestana. After extending good wishes to her Carmelite friend, Mrs. Pestana asked: ‘Then Lucia, Sunday is the Consecration?’ Sister Lucia, who had already received and read the text of the Pope’s consecration formula, made a negative sign and declared: ‘That consecration cannot have a decisive character.’
1985: In Sol de Fatima, the Spanish publication of the Blue Army, Sister Lucia was asked if the Pope had fulfilled the request of Our Lady when he consecrated the world the previous year. Sister Lucia replied: ‘There was no participation of all the bishops, and there was no mention of Russia.’ She was then asked, ‘So the consecration was not done as requested by Our Lady?’ to which she replied: ‘No. Many bishops attached no importance to this act.’
1987: On July 20, 1987 Sister Lucia was interviewed quickly outside her convent while voting. She told journalist Enrique Romero that the Consecration of Russia has not been done as requested.
One could cite more of Lucia’s affirmations that the 1984 consecration of the world (and that of 1982) did not fulfill Heaven’s conditions, but the point is made.”[5]
In the same book, Ferrara also explains:
“By 1988-89 not only the Blue Army but other major Fatima apostolates that had maintained that the consecration of Russia was not yet accomplished were reversing themselves. In conformity with the Party Line — which in fact they had never been bound to follow — they now declared that the 1984 ceremony fulfilled the desires of Heaven. …
It was also at this time that typewritten and computer-generated letters, purportedly from Sister Lucy — who never used a computer — began to circulate. Typical of the manifestly incredible letters was the one dated November 8, 1989, to a Mr. Noelker, which contains the statement by ‘Sister Lucy’ that Pope Paul VI consecrated the world to the Immaculate Heart during his brief visit to Fatima in 1967 — a consecration that never happened, as Sister Lucy certainly knew because she witnessed the entire visit. The Noelker letter would become the Vatican’s sole documentary evidence [cited in The Message of Fatima] that even Sister Lucy had reversed herself and now ‘agreed’ that Russia was consecrated in 1984 without mention of Russia.”[6]
Thus, we see the insistence of Sister Lucia — over a period of more than 40 years — that the consecration must be accomplished according to Our Lady’s specific instructions (do not fall for disinformation to the contrary).
One of my priest friends used to tell me that the Devil was working for God, but just didn't realize it.
If that is the case, perhaps Francis being the pope who finally consecrates Russia correctly--if it happens that way--could be the ultimate example of God writing straight through crooked lines.
The pope's dubious record and the lower-than-ever quality of so many bishops might just work together to finally get this to work: At no other time in recent history have we had this perfect combination: A pope who thinks he can change everything, a cadre of bishops either appointed by him or who have prayed for a pope like him, stepping all over each other to cooperate and do his bidding and another group of bishops who aren't please with him but will obey because he is the pope. That MIGHTG just get all the bishops on the same page. Let's face it, neither Pope John Paul nor Benedict could pull this off because there is no way they could have persuaded enough bishops to cooperate.
The pope who lays the foundation of catastrophe prevents it? Stranger things have happened.
One of my priest friends used to tell me that the Devil was working for God, but just didn't realize it.
If that is the case, perhaps Francis being the pope who finally consecrates Russia correctly--if it happens that way--could be the ultimate example of God writing straight through crooked lines.
The pope's dubious record and the lower-than-ever quality of so many bishops might just work together to finally get this to work: At no other time in recent history have we had this perfect combination: A pope who thinks he can change everything, a cadre of bishops either appointed by him or who have prayed for a pope like him, stepping all over each other to cooperate and do his bidding and another group of bishops who aren't please with him but will obey because he is the pope. That MIGHTG just get all the bishops on the same page. Let's face it, neither Pope John Paul nor Benedict could pull this off because there is no way they could have persuaded enough bishops to cooperate.
The pope who lays the foundation of catastrophe prevents it? Stranger things have happened.
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