I happen to think that Custodius Traditionis as well as Archbishop Roche's clarification are "over the top" in showing no pastoral solicitude to those who accept Pope Benedict's (now Emeritus) vision for Vatican II and the two forms of the Latin Rite Mass he allowed most graciously. Archbishop Roche has fanned the flames of rebellion and division in the Church, but traditionalists are far from the only ones rebelling and certainly a much smaller demographic than, let's say, Germany and its rebellious and schismatic synodal way which includes cardinals, archbishops and bishops leading the way in this schism.
But with that said, what good is it to do the same thing they are doing but with a Traditional ideology?
I have been writing this for a long, long time, that Traditionalist and blogs of a traditional bent have been going off the rails in terms of wanting the EF Mass to be the exclusive Mass of the Latin Rite which Pope Benedict in no way wanted and said so many times and going so far as to denigrate every expression of the Ordinary Form of the Mass.
These traditionalists also were going off the rails in focusing exclusively on the liturgy, vestments and form and seemingly missing the pastoral care of people and concern for the poor, immigrants and the like.
And now some blogs and well known traditionalists are praising and promoting Father James Mawdsley who is going off the rails in criticizing Pope Francis and fomenting rebellion and schism by doing so.
It needs to stop because if it continues there will be no hope for a more balanced approached to the older liturgical books by the Vatican or local bishops in the near future.
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Over the top, but the fact this happened does not change the lack of charity and and pastoral solicitude on PF’s part. This priest has been through far more than any of us
It is disturbing. But he couldn’t have hit anything unless someone had set him a target.
You might also check out Fr. Peter Williams in Vermont who was a couple of years behind me in seminary.
Even his family members are worried about him.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/250122/burlington-priest-asks-parishioners-to-tell-bishop-of-his-pastoral-care-mental-health?fbclid=IwAR18ybvCKZLKQp5F66YbcYFCOvvb60yRK6CK69ZvEn7F2Axr5akxh36XOEs
As for targeting, Fr. Mawdsley created it for himself.
He seems normal and healthy to me. Exerting one conscience and freedoms doesn’t constitute mental illness or a need to be removed from office.
Fr. K,
Check out Father Mawsley’s bio - not a coward or timeserver like a lot of bishops and priests. He’s a real man
So, you'll give him a pass on his defiance toward his bishop.
But, in other posts, you have reminded your 7 or 8 regular readers that defiance toward a bishop is inappropriate.
And, not knowing anything, other than the post you may have read, you decide that you know him better than his own family.
Pretty clerical of you, but that's nothing new.
Fr K obviously does not support choice, unless of course the “choice” is the one his party enshrines as if it were the 11th Commandment.
The covid emergency has run its course, some European countries have already begun to rescind all restrictions but control freaks in some states and in the media will lot let it go ignoring the science
The U.S. is pushing one million dead from Covid-19 (less than 100,000 to go), the worst by far of all comparable developed countries:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/02/01/science/covid-deaths-united-states.html
We all know who bears primary responsibility for this lamentable situation—those who have been skeptical about and resistant to public health measures from the beginning, and who still are.
It is yet another manifestation of the culture of death regnant in today’s culture, and it too surely is, or should be, a cause of righteous anger. Just not for certain people in these parts, I suppose.
Mark,
LOL! You are a good foot soldier for the Party which views abortion as “healthcare!”
Mark, a significant number of those who died, died before the vaccine came out. Vaccinated people are dying today as well as others who aren’t. My sister, her husband both triple vaccined became seriously ill and my brother-in-law in the hospital for a week. Their 40 something daughter who lives with them almost died of it and was on a ventilator for a week.
What is needed is good treatment or drugs for those who become seriously ill to facilitate healing. Much more work needs to be done on that which no one speaks about at least politically especially the current regime in Washington.
Father McDonald,
I have been vaccinated and boostered, so clearly I am not an anti-vaccer. That being said, from the beginning of this pandemic, there has been conflicting information spewing forth, particularly from Washington in the person of Dr. Fauci. Power mad politicians have been abusing their power in the name of “science.” Media outlets have gone bonkers. The reality is over 99 percent of people who come down with covid survive. I think most people are now saying, enough is enough. Many European governments are rescinding restrictions. Our corrupt national media gives nearly zero coverage about that.
Mark, you are correct. What Fr. ALLAN McDonald glosses over is the number of those who, refusing to be vaccinated and shunning reasonable precautions, have continued to die and to overload our nation's health care systems. The uvacciated are clogging hospitals, forcing hospitals to divert trauma cases, including car accident victims, stroke and heart attack victims to other, more distant medical facilities, putting their health in jeopardy.
Yes, vaccinated people are dying today, but the vast number of deaths (and hospitalized) are among the unvaccinated.
From the Augusta University Medical Partnership: "Staggering COVID-19 Statistic: 98% to 99% of Americans Dying are Unvaccinated"
And here's the data from Washington State:
Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are
• 3 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34 year-olds.
• 5 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34 yearolds.
Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are
• 4 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64 year-olds.
• 7 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64 yearolds.
Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are
• 5 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.
• 8 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.
• 9 times more likely to die of COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.
Selfishness and pig-headedness are prolonging the pandemic.
It is simply not true that no one speaks about good treatment for those who become seriously ill from Coovid infections. First we HAVE treatments. Hundreds of thousands have been treated, although many of them unnecessarily since they could have avoided serious illness by being vaccinated, in hospitals and have recovered.
Second, the research being done for treatments is widely reported. The only people who, like Fr. McDonald, don't see the reporting are those who do not want to see it.
Example: https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/treatments-for-covid-19
Example: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-treatment-whats-in-development
Example: https://combatcovid.hhs.gov/possible-treatment-options-covid-19
FRMJK to present Democrat talking points as the sole analysis of the situation is corrupt there are other very valid voices who disagree with much of this.
Richmond Hill and my parish have never had a mask mandate and we have been back to almost normal attendance now for many many months and even with the more contagious Delta and Omicron variants, we have continued to move on embracing both the vaccinated and vaccinated. We hve been passing hand to hand the collection basket for the last year and communion on the tongue or hand, kneeling or standing and the sign of peace.
But the common cup--no that is a pandemic producing mechanism if ever and yet you are blind to that.
But to say that medical science agrees with all the Democrat talking points is a lie and there are valid alternative science we can use and I do. And fortunately Richmond Hill has since the beginning.
Fr ALLAN McDonald - First, these are not "Democrat talking point" and you know it.
Second, neither your parish nor Bryan County is the pandemic. The data is not about you, your parish, or the county you live in. Your self-centered view, shared by too many, is what has prolonged this pandemic.
Third, resorting got TJM-esque rebuttals is sad, even for you.
Fourth, if you have "sources" that show the unvaccinated are not more likely to get sick, go to the hospital, or die from Covid, post the link. Otherwise, you are a "resounding gong or a clashing cymbal."
Thank you, I did play in my high school band, not a resounding gong, or a clashing cymbal, though, but the refined and cultured clarinet.
Fr K,
Going full Josef Goebbels is sad beyond belief. You know, you would have voted for Adolph Hitler because, besides his treatment of Jews, he did lots of nice things, so you could overlook that little detail
Of course, I expected that reaction from TJM. Whereas as a Catholic I care about preserving unborn life as I care about life already born, at the extreme he seems to care MORE about preserving a microscopic cell than about preserving life already born or indeed anything else at all. I infer this from the fact that he ALWAYS plays the abortion card WHATEVER the point under discussion. As far as Covid-19 is concerned, his approach is, well, 99% survive, so to hell with the 1%, sorry, I million. He is clearly unwell.
Father McDonald, I am truly sorry about the travails of your family. Being infected with Covid-19 can be very scary indeed. Most of those who died did so AFTER the vaccine came out (which, of course, is why the Republicans try to blame Joe Biden, even though they and their lackeys like Tucker Carlson are primarily responsible for vaccine hesitancy; in one’s darker moments one even wonders whether they have been willing to kill people just to make Biden look bad, but hey perhaps I am too cynical).
Father Kavanaugh, of course you are right. People like TJM have no answer except to call you Josef Goebbels. Real sophisticated argument, that.
Bottom line—talk to my wife if you want a reality check. She knows who is in the hospital with Covid-19 and what it can mean as her team must console the families.
Am I angry? You bet I am, and quite honestly, I have now lost patience. Not only because of the colossal unnecessary sacrifice of life on the altar of political expediency, but because I see what it does to my wife and people like her who will always care for everyone with Covid and their families, however the patient got to the ICU and however much they did not need to be there because they are unvaccinated (which the VAST MAJORITY of those in the ICU are). Thanks for nothing!
As Catholics, what on earth have we become? As I said, more culture of death.
Mark - I too have no patience for the deniers and the refusniks. Twice I have been confronted by strangers in the supermarket who took it upon themselves to make a negative comment about my wearing a mask. I was prepared. My response was, "It must be hard for you to go through life so stupid and deluded." I kept walking, leaving them in my wake as they figured out what had just happened.
I would not go quite as far as you in saying we are in a culture of death; rather, we are in a culture of, as I have said here many times, radical individualism. The Fr. Williams I referenced in another thread defended his refusal to take simple precautions including vaccination and mask-wearing and his defiance of his bishop as an act of "patriotism." Now, all along, I have thought that patriotism meant "love of country," but he and others have turned it into a self-serving love of self. Odd, that. Very odd. But in the "I Can Do What I Want When I Want With Whom I Want" culture, that's where we are.
We will come through this because enough people have taken it seriously and because the virus will run its course. Needless to say, that course would have been shortened greatly had enough people stopped thinking about themselves and their imaginary "freedoms" long enough to care about the health and well-being of others. People, like Fr. ALLAN McDonald, who say "Well, it ain't that bad 'round these parts, why should I worry" are the Alfred E. Newmans of the present.
Yes, they are MAD.
Mark and Father K,
You don’t care about the unborn and saying you do means little since your voting patterns speak louder than words, voting for a party which keeps the holocaust going even during a pandemic. You are real sophisticates, the cognoscenti. Right.
TJM’s assertion that Father K and I do not care about the unborn because of our voting patterns, even though we say we do, is about as accurate as asserting that TJM doesn’t really care about the unborn, and only says he does to disingenuously excuse his own voting patterns.
Not sure what Covid mass formation psychosis has to do with the schism that’s being caused by this Pope. Father McDonald why bring up Father Mawdsley, but not the Protestant garbage that came out of the Pope’s mouth on 2 February at the General audience. So now we are once saved always saved as Catholic’s. Who would have known? One brave Italian had the courage to call him out on his heresy.
The two lungs of the church is not EF and OF, which is the confusion Pope Benedict created, but the Church and the Anti-Church, which has existed since Vatican II. And as I’ve stated before I’ll espouse Vatican II as soon as the NGO Anti-Church supports the Council of Trent.
The Mass of the Ages can never be abrogated as Pope St. Pius V clearly stated in his quo primum Papal Bull. So as much as Pope Francis hates the Catholic Church I pray that he converts from his Lutheranism to Catholicism before he faces the four last things.
Do we have any more priests and Bishop’s willing to defend the sheep from the wolves or are you all afraid of some skeletons in your closets which will be used against you if you speak out. All of us will be judged one day on our actions at this point in history.
All I’m looking for is a few brave Priests and Bishops or does it need to be laypersons once again to save our church from heresy’s. This world belongs to Satan and I don’t see much fight in those given authority to protect the flock. Remember the crozier has a pike on the other end with the hook. That pike is meant to fight off the demons and instead the hook is being used to throw out faithful Catholics. God have Mercy on all the religious as I suspect your judgements will be much more harsh then what us simple laypeople will have to answer too.
God Bless you Father, but I wish you had a little more courage.
Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities... because it is the quality which guarantees all others. Winston Churchill
"The Mass of the Ages can never be abrogated as Pope St. Pius V clearly stated in his quo primum Papal Bull."
This is 1) incorrect and 2) one of the main reasons for Traditionis custodes.
1. As Fr. Edward McNamara explained at ZENIT: "[L]egal expressions such as "which shall have the force of law in perpetuity, We order and enjoin under pain of Our displeasure that nothing be added to Our newly published Missal, nothing omitted therefrom, and nothing whatsoever altered therein" cannot be literally interpreted as binding on possible later actions of Pope St. Pius V or upon his successors. The strictures fall only upon those who act without due authority.
If it were otherwise, then Pope St. Pius V would have excommunicated himself a couple of years after publishing "Quo Primum" when he added the feast of Our Lady of the Rosary to the missal following the Battle of Lepanto in 1571, not to mention Pope Clement XI who canonized Pius V in 1712, thus altering the missal.
Among the many other Popes who would have thus incurred "the wrath of Almighty God and of the blessed Apostles Peter and Paul" would have been St. Pius X for reforming the calendar, Pius XI who added the first new preface in centuries for the feast of Christ the King, Pius XII for completely revamping the rites of Holy Week as well as simplifying the rubrics, and Blessed John XXIII for adding St. Joseph’s name to the Roman Canon."
2. The dismissal of Vatican Two in part or as a whole and the scurillous assertion that Pope Francis is not Catholic.
By the way, V, the person who shouted at the Pope is not an Italian, but, "... an Irish national living in Rome who had made similar outbursts in several Roman basilicas in the past." (Reuters)
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