Even before Custodius Traditionis, I have been warning my readers that denigrating a well celebrated Ordinary Form Mass in Latin and ad orientem or any well celebrated OF Mass where the priest and congregation read the black and do the red was heterodox and divisive. It is just as bad as those who continually denigrate the EF Mass and see no good in it.
And now we have an insider calling out what in fact is true, most who attend the EF Mass in fact have a hatred for the OF Mass just like those who love the OF Mass have a hatred for the EF Mass. Both positions are alien to the Deposit of Faith of the Catholic Church, the perennial Deposit of Faith.
Just an antidote on my part. Since Custodius Traditionis, I have been celebrating my parish’s Latin Mass as an Ordinary Form Latin Mass with an EF ethos. I doubt too many would be able to tell the difference between the two. Yet there are several who were there each Tuesday for the Mass when it was EF who will not darken the doors of the chapel for the Latin Mass in the OF but with EF sensibilities.
It seems that the Bishop of Helena is allowing OF Mass to be celebrated like EF Masses and yet no one gives him credit for that and Fr. Z who does no favors for the EF community, is virulent in slamming this bishop and others like him who are “entirely rightful (in their) exercise of …apostolic authority.”
Read the sad commentary that TRADS have brought on themselves and have no one to blame but themselves:
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Fr AJM,
I'm now tearing my hair out! 'Custodius Traditionis' - in God's name what is that? The abstract noun which goes with 'custos' is 'custodia' (f. 1st decl.), englished as 'custody'.
I suggest that you stick to the vernacular in future.
Apart from that, your willingness to castigate the 'EF community' (in reality there is no such thing) for provoking PF into undertaking illiberal and illicit measures fails to attribute blame to where it actually belongs.
I must confess that I am disappointed with you.
Back to kicking the victim, eh, Father?
Again, Pope Francis was elected to eliminate any memory of Traditional Catholic worship. His mission has always been to erase and outlaw the Traditional Latin Mass.
You can boast about all your prophetic insights as much as you like and attempt to mind-read those of us with Traditionalist sentiments too. It doesn't change anything. If all of the Traditionalists held hands and sang "Gather Us In" while liturgical dancers welcomed us to their Bugnini Fest, it wouldn't matter. Bergoglio would still try to crush Traditional Worship.
It is so disgusting to hear all this "you brought it on yourselves" nonsense that I hardly know where to begin.
And one more thing...if anyone with an IQ higher than 90 reads the history of how the Novus Ordo was created and imposed--yes, imposed upon the Church, they might just feel some tinges of antipathy about it.
Keep blaming the victims Father. When push comes to shove and we are ordered to renounce the old creed for a new one...well, I wonder.
John, John, John. I am so disappointed. Custodius Traditionis cleans the Men’s Room at the Vatican. He also ghost writes encyclicals for the current administration.
Fr McDonald, painting with a broad brush is often a sign of a weak position or laziness. Beware of such people wherever they are.
Dear Father:
It is impossible to deny the existence of cranks, but it is entirely unreasonable to make the non-existence of cranks the necessary precondition for avoiding an unjust action. It would be rather like the Prime Minister of Canada saying, "well, it would be terribly unfair of me to round up all truckers and confiscate their vehicles, their homes and assets, and send them into exile in the Artic Circle; HOWEVER, I noticed a swastika, so as long as any of you truckers are Nazis...well tough luck, off you go!"
There is no justice in punishing all people devoted to the Traditional Latin Mass and related rites, because some number of devotees are cranky or obnoxious.
There is an additional injustice in magnifying by insinuation the numbers of such dyspeptic people. Will anyone who premises Traditiones Custodes on the persistence of said malcontents commit himself to a precise estimate of how many so-called "traditionalists" -- who, importantly, attend the TLM under the auspices of non-schismatic, non-SSPX priests -- are guilty of such nastiness? Is it 50%? Twenty percent? Five percent? How many?
I really don't know, but I suspect the actual number is extremely small. Such has been my experience. On the other hand, I suspect such obnoxious traddy behavior is more likely among those who assist at Masses celebrated either by SSPX priests, or by other groups or priests even more out of the orbit of the Church.
Will anyone dispute that the incidence of vituperation among traditionalists rises precisely in proportion to how distant the priests whose Masses they attend are from communion with the pope? Can anyone say "sedevacantism"?
Therefore, Traditionis Custodes as a remedy for this problem is not only unjust, it is manifestly counterproductive!
Every time a TLM -- celebrated in a normal parish church or chapel -- is suppressed, some number of those formerly attending that Mass will seek out an SSPX chapel. Some number of them will end up with one of the sedevacantist groups. And, as a result, these now-radicalized faithful will be exposed, all the more, to polemics against Vatican II, against the new Mass, and against the successor of Peter. That which was supposedly the harm to be abated by Traditiones Custodes, will be its bitter harvest.
This is so blindingly obvious that I cannot believe the claim that this divisiveness is the reason for suppressing the TLM. To be clear: I cannot say whether those who repeat this assertion believe it; some people can sincerely believe total nonsense, so I accuse no one. But somewhere there are people who are saying this, who know it is not the true reason. They cannot believe such a claim.
John, the American 1969,s TV series, bewitched, had the character of the mother-in-law, a real witch, constantly calling her moral son/in-law by the wrong name to mock and ridicule him. Just saying!
Just like a paucity of White Supremacists there is an equally small number of EF cranks. The Vatican is lying, otherwise they would release the surveys. Even the Cardinal Archbishop in London is not buying this bilge. Moreover you don’t punish the innocent. Sorry McDonald you stepped into it bigtime with this one. You should heed John Nolan and Father Fox who are spot on
Fr Allan
By all means hold Traditionis Custodes and the man who signed it off up to ridicule and contempt - you'll have my three times three. But don't mutilate the Latin language in order to do so. Amoris Laetitia was cleverly rendered as 'The Joy of Sex', which resonated with those of us old enough to remember Dr Alex Comfort's 1972 classic.
Translate Traditionis Custodes as 'The Jailers of Tradition' which has the advantage of being both accurate and apposite.
I meant to say “sorry Father McDonald.” Sometimes I type too fast
Translations often reflect, or reveal in some cases, the prejudices and preferences of the translator.
Also, translation is a lens through which we comprehend another language. What was written, say, 500 year ago, was understood according to the circumstances of the author and his or her culture at that time. When, today, we undertake to translate his or her words, it is impossible to reflect with 100% accuracy what he or she understood the words to mean.
That a perfect translation is not possible is not a major issue, any more than the eventual need to replace tires on a car after driving many tens of thousands of miles is an issue. It's simply part of the reality.
Rituals also require translation. And that translation will necessarily include evolution and change. The person who expects otherwise is setting him or herself up for unnecessary anxiety.
Fr. K,
Your remarks are completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand but please enlighten us on why the OF has failed to instill a belief in the Real Presence in the majority of Catholics.
I guess certain priests don’t believe in accountability
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