Harrison Butker, Kansas City Chief’s winning kicker, with EWTN’s Raymond Arroyo. Harrison, a devout practicing Catholic, also serves the Traditional Latin Mass. I am sure his bishop is jealous of his ring!
I hope Pope Francis and the bishops of the world listen to this young married man’s story about how he feels persecuted by the Church and marginalized for simply preferring the Traditional Latin Mass and then made to feel by the pope and bishops as an unfaithful Catholic.
That’s all we need, to alienate young Catholics who take their Catholic Faith seriously!
21 comments:
Manly men love the TLM!
He had a close call when he missed that field goal early on. Good mental balance to pull it back together and make the rest of them.
Harrison butker said..."But now as a father with children, I'm thinking, how do I make sure my kids have access to the sacraments in the traditional rite? How will they have access to confirmation as they get older? You're just in a tough place."
"Like where am I going to access these sacraments?"
"And do I believe that they should be allowed to be taken away. Of course not, because the Novus Ordo sacraments are so new and they are so different and so many things have been taken out.…"
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There are Novus Ordo Sacraments versus TLM Sacraments?
"Novus Ordo Sacraments" are "new" Sacraments?
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Harrison Butker said..."I would say, “Holy Father, all the Catholics that I've been around that have a devotion to the Traditional Latin Mass and the traditional sacraments, they want to be saints. They want to get their children to heaven. They're not trying to have this big revolt against the Church. They're not denying the papacy."
I appreciate that he is amongst those who desire to become Saints.
But why is there such a tremendous gap within the TLM Community?
That is, there is Harrison Butker/as well as said folks within his TLM experience...versus...Rorate Caeli, Peter Kwasniewski, The Remnant, Crisis Magazine, Mundabor, as well as those who support Rorate Caeli, The Remnant, Peter Kwasniewski, etc.
They assist at the same TLM.
However, the Rorate Caeli/Peter Kwasniewski/The Remnant types, are in an undeniable revolt against Holy Mother Church, as well as Her Vatican II Era holy Popes.
In fairness, amongst those who assist at the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI are folks who are loyal to the Church/Pope versus those who have rebelled against the Church/Pope.
However, those within the TLM Community claim to assist at the "True Mass"...the Mass that instills within them a wonderful spirituality that they claim is unavailable via the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI.
That is why it's puzzling as to why the "True Mass" instills within Harrison Butker love for the Church, as well as loyalty to the Pope.
However, the "True Mass" does not instill the above within the Rorate Caeli/Peter Kwasniewski/The Remnant wing of the TLM Community.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Mark Thomas
A little test for you:
99% of those who attend the TLM believe in the Real Presence
30% of those who attend the Novus Ordo believe in the Real Presence
I rest my case.
I appreciate the following from Harrison Butker:
"I would say, “Holy Father, all the Catholics that I've been around that have a devotion to the Traditional Latin Mass and the traditional sacraments, they want to be saints. They're not trying to have this big revolt against the Church. They're not denying the papacy."
What is unfortunate is that more than a few "traditionalists" are opposite Harrison Butker, as well as his ilk (those loyal to the Church, and Pope).
The following is very disturbing:
There are TLM parishes/communities in communion with their bishops who have invited to their parishes/communities such folks as Peter Kwasniewski, who, in turn, have promoted rebellion against the Church/Pope.
Unfortunately, in regard to traditionalists/TLM communities who have professed loyalty to the Church/Pope:
One will struggle to find public pushback against leading radtrads who have, speaking generally, given the TLM Community a rotten reputation throughout the Church.
Where amongst "loyal to the Church, and Pope," traditionalists have we encountered a strong pushback against, New Catholic (Rorate Caeli), Peter Kwasniewski, The Remnant...?
Instead, "loyal to the Chu rch, and Pope" traditionalists have invited to their TLM parishes/communities the likes of Peter Kwasniewski, who has promoted mutiny against the Church/Pope.
There is little wonder as to why bishops had requested Pope Francis to have addressed the serious, disturbing issues, that have long plagued the TLM Community/communities.
It is a shame that "loyal to the Church, and Pope" traditionalists have done little, if anything, in regard to their having pushed back against the troublemakers within the TLM Community.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
MT, he’s a young man and yes there is a small minority that are problematic. But you seem to be in denial about Germany. Should the NO be outlawed there?
Mark Thomas continues to ignore inconvenient facts which demolish his delusional views. Kind of sad
Father McDonald, he is a young man. Yes. Okay.
I disagree that we are dealing with a "small minority" who are problematic. But we have differing opinions on that topic. That is fine.
I am not sure as to why you mentioned Germany. Also, I was unaware that I was in denial in regard to Germany. Actually, I am unaware as to that which I have denied in regard to Germany.
Why should the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI be outlawed in Germany.
Thank you, Father McDonald.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Mark Thomas,
This is really getting old - you sound like a 12 year old. Saints have taken on errant Popes including St. Catherine of Siena. You refuse, like Father K, to acknowledge facts which undermine your respective narratives.
Most of the evil in the Church today is on the Novus Ordo side of the aisle - the TLM side is not the problem - they will be the last Catholics standing.
Arrivederci
"There are Novus Ordo Sacraments versus TLM Sacraments?"
"'Novus Ordo Sacraments' are 'new' Sacraments?"
Well, YEAH! A number of priests and bishops have gone on record saying that the Traditional rites are no longer compatible with our "new way of being Church" or they're not "up to date" enough. Cardinal Roche, God bless him, says that the very existence and tolerance of that Old Mass causes confusion. Imagine that!
Well, he's right there IS confusion. The majority of Novus Ordo Catholics seem to be VERY confused about the Real Presence. The majority of Novus Ordo Catholics are the ones who keep fragmenting into factions about what the Church should do. The Novus Ordo Catholics are the ones going to the "listening sessions" of your "HOLY, HOLY, HOLY, HOLY (barf)" synod and telling us how we need to ordain women, bless homosexual unions, mandate drive-thru Communion in the hand snackraments and other progressive innovations. They are the least likely to be found in the lines for Confession. I could go on.
The "renewal" that Francis and his cronies are so determined to impose upon us is a proven failure and the only sector of the Church showing consistent growth is the sector where there IS no confusion. Traditional Catholics KNOW what sin is. They know WHO is in the Eucharist. They know WHAT the Mass is. And they appreciate the fullness and the beauty of the sacraments offered in the fullness of their Traditional expression, without the excised or stripped down prayers and lousy translations. Evidently, some youngsters accessing this site have no memory--how could they--of what the Church was before it "got hip" and went into self-destruct mode. Here's a clue. If you took the average Catholic from 1964 and time-traveled him into the average American parish today, that person would think he was experiencing a different religion. (he could also probably teach the Catechism too, because back then, most Catholics actually KNEW most of it).
And TJM is right--if you know anything about Catholic history, we have a number of solid examples of people confronting popes when they were wrong. Many, like Catherine of Siena, became saints. And most of the popes they confronted are just that--dead popes.
The pretend game can only last so long. The emperor's new clothes are getting increasingly transparent.
I forgot--Father's post was about an NFL player who is a Traditional Catholic.
Well, I quit being impressed by anything NFL a few decades ago. But it's a tribute to this man's integrity that he can survive in such a corrupted, profane and compromised environment like professional sports and still keep his head on straight.
"...how he feels persecuted..."
He's not persecuted. "Feeling" persecuted doesn't mean that one IS persecuted.
The tyranny of feelings, the constant privileging of our subjective emotional experience, is a bane on contemporary Western culture.
A person "feels" disrespected because you blow your horn when they are endangering others by their bad driving. They're not disrespected - they're just too immature to take correction.
A person "feels" disrespected because you will not use the pronouns they choose for themselves. They're not disrespected - they're just too immature to recognize that their preferences don't determine reality.
A young person "feels" left out or upset because they finished last in the sack race and didn't get a trophy. You get the drift...
It's all the upshot of the radical individualism that underlies so much of our unnecessary and destructive personal and societal angst. We create it, rather than enjoying the marvelous existence provided for us each day.
Father K,
You've convinced me that you made the correct decision not to go into sales.
Jerome - No, a "good" salesman has to has to gild the lily too often, and I'm not good at that. I prefer just sticking with the Gospel truth, which, as you know, some people will find off-putting. They might even say terrible things about the person who sticks to the Gospel truth - it can happen.
Jesus encountered that as well. "They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him off the cliff." That line follows the story of the healing of Naaman the Syrian who was cured of leprosy, a powerful tale of how a person had to give up his false idol, his "Counterfeit God" which was reliance on his power and position.
The people who wanted to kill Jesus weren't happy hearing the truth - about themselves.
Jerome Merwick,
Well Father K does not have the personality for sales, nor, based on his comments here, the priesthood. A sad, snarky little man
TJM
It's never hopeless. There's always the Dale Carnegie Course!
I’m reading “ Letter to Confused Catholics” by Archbishop Levebre and I now fully understand where the revolution took the Bride of Christ. Gaudium de Spes was the October Revolution and we now have to churches one Catholic and the new one more Anglican then Catholic. Only time and the work of the Holy Ghost to rid us of these demons will the Bride recover her mission to her Master.
The next few months will be critical to the world and our church.
Our Lady of Garanbandal and La Sallette pray for us.
Paul McCarthy now of the free State of Florida and the SSPX of St. Thomas More in Sanford over an hour away from the Space Coast.
Say No to Recognize and Resist
Jerome Merwick,
LOL - touche'
Harrison Butker seems like a fine young man and a great ambassador for the Catholic faith. In the embedded video, he gave the following response to the question on how he would describe his main passion in life:
“Number one is my Catholic faith, so I am trying to spread the Catholic faith as best as I can… I am doing my best to use the platform that God has given me to evangelize, to bring beauty and truth to others around me, to expose them to the truth of the Catholic Church.”
Dave Thoman,
A beautiful statement that would likely be frowned up by Rome these days!
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