When the democrat challenging AOC screams about his fear of nuclear annihilation, who shows the fatal and criminal flaw, the utter moral bankruptcy of the Democrat platform on the right to murder children who are not born yet and even murder them when they are in the birth canal. He fears Putin’s right to choose to use the “abortifacient” of a nuclear weapon to protect his borders from the Ukrainians whom he judges as a threat to him. Putin’s right to choose innocent people is challenged by this pro-choice democrat. Thus we see the disconnect when one’s own life could be snuffed out by the choice of another who is inconvenienced by the life of another.
The dilemma is real and immanent. Watching our leaders meltdown over these issues is troubling. When the storms arrive who among them can remain calm and focused on the priorities?
Both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are morally bankrupt, to some extent in similar ways and in other respects in different ways. Although I disagree with Tulsi Gabbard’s particular approach and her willingness to compromise with the moral bankruptcy of Trump media lackeys like Tucker Carlson and his ilk on FOX News, I do agree with her that we must seek a viable alternative to our current corrupted politics.
And I quite agree with what I understand rcg to be saying—that any such alternative must involve having virtuous leaders who are calm and collected. Hysterical frothing at the mouth over nuclear Armageddon (an unfortunate recent Bidenism) is not helpful. It is very likely that the Russian system has the sorts of checks against rash presidential action that we have over here.
Mark, I do not think the checks and balances for the Russian leaders are as formal or strong as for the American President. I think the situation in The Ukraine is attributable to misjudgment by the US and NATO that provided an excuse for Putin to invade. If he continues this logic then the Russian use of tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine is not only a valid response to recent Ukrainian successes but a demonstration of national sovereignty that could call any direct US or NATO response as escalation.
The desire to have an outcome that allows the survival of opposing ideas and groups is not only American but Catholic. AOC is a gorgeous wreck. Screaming and name calling is allowing her to cause my regression and helps neither of us. If I can maintain my cool through confidence in my position and preparation of my argument then she may at least come to respect my position and even be intrigued by it.
Clarification – The language “[h]ysterical frothing at the mouth over nuclear Armageddon” was intended to refer to the hecklers on the video not President Biden, who alluded to a nuclear “Armageddon” in a recent speech.
An observation—the second protester claims that AOC voted to “mobilize” and “send money” to “Ukrainian Nazis.” The last quoted phrase should give pause for thought, no? It is a Putin line, which is not to deny that there exists a significant neo-Nazi element within Ukraine, nor that Ukraine has a questionable history in this respect:
Interestingly, I just saw Tucker Carlson playing this same video this evening in his attack segment on AOC’s support for assisting Ukraine. He did not address use of the phrase “Ukrainian Nazis” by the protester. Should this omission also give pause for thought?
Of course, this observation by no means suggests that we should not soberly evaluate U.S. policy toward the Russia-Ukraine war, just that this should be done objectively without succumbing to propaganda by whomever propagated. In other words, facts, honesty, and truth please, not propaganda, dishonesty, and lies.
Also, why can’t we hear AOC’s responses in the video?
There you go again with your moral equivalency when there is none.
The Dems support intrinsic evils like abortion, the Republicans do not. The Biden Administration is pushing the newest perversion: transgenderism and the sexual grooming of children.
The DOJ has done nothing to prosecute attacks on Churches and Pregnancy Counseling Centers but finds time to pursue Stasi Like arrests with guns drawn for pro life advocates.
Lastly, Biden’s economic policies have resulted in serious inflation which harms the working classes the most.
Perhaps it would help advance the conversation of we jettisoned the concept of “moral equivalency.” Comparing the moral bankruptcy of the Republican Party with the moral bankruptcy of the Democratic Party is like comparing apples and oranges. They are both fruit yet quite distinct.
Related, perhaps it would also advance the conversation if we put you (and some others) to the question regarding the elephant in the room:
Is it your position that victory by the MAGA movement will not mean entrenched one-party minority rule, lack of political accountability, and disrespect for the rule of law (i.e., an illiberal democracy)?
Or is it your position that, even if victory by MAGA does mean this, it is acceptable to you if it also means achieving perceived gains on abortion and various other political, economic, and cultural issues you care about?
I think you know where I stand. I would like to know where you stand.
Once we are clear on this, we should be in a better position to explore the reasons/justifications for holding our respective views.
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That is a good point. The need to win an argument or humiliate an opponent can be overwhelming at times and makes truth a casualty of our pride.
When the democrat challenging AOC screams about his fear of nuclear annihilation, who shows the fatal and criminal flaw, the utter moral bankruptcy of the Democrat platform on the right to murder children who are not born yet and even murder them when they are in the birth canal. He fears Putin’s right to choose to use the “abortifacient” of a nuclear weapon to protect his borders from the Ukrainians whom he judges as a threat to him. Putin’s right to choose innocent people is challenged by this pro-choice democrat. Thus we see the disconnect when one’s own life could be snuffed out by the choice of another who is inconvenienced by the life of another.
The dilemma is real and immanent. Watching our leaders meltdown over these issues is troubling. When the storms arrive who among them can remain calm and focused on the priorities?
Both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are morally bankrupt, to some extent in similar ways and in other respects in different ways. Although I disagree with Tulsi Gabbard’s particular approach and her willingness to compromise with the moral bankruptcy of Trump media lackeys like Tucker Carlson and his ilk on FOX News, I do agree with her that we must seek a viable alternative to our current corrupted politics.
And I quite agree with what I understand rcg to be saying—that any such alternative must involve having virtuous leaders who are calm and collected. Hysterical frothing at the mouth over nuclear Armageddon (an unfortunate recent Bidenism) is not helpful. It is very likely that the Russian system has the sorts of checks against rash presidential action that we have over here.
Mark, I do not think the checks and balances for the Russian leaders are as formal or strong as for the American President. I think the situation in The Ukraine is attributable to misjudgment by the US and NATO that provided an excuse for Putin to invade. If he continues this logic then the Russian use of tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine is not only a valid response to recent Ukrainian successes but a demonstration of national sovereignty that could call any direct US or NATO response as escalation.
The desire to have an outcome that allows the survival of opposing ideas and groups is not only American but Catholic. AOC is a gorgeous wreck. Screaming and name calling is allowing her to cause my regression and helps neither of us. If I can maintain my cool through confidence in my position and preparation of my argument then she may at least come to respect my position and even be intrigued by it.
Clarification – The language “[h]ysterical frothing at the mouth over nuclear Armageddon” was intended to refer to the hecklers on the video not President Biden, who alluded to a nuclear “Armageddon” in a recent speech.
An observation—the second protester claims that AOC voted to “mobilize” and “send money” to “Ukrainian Nazis.” The last quoted phrase should give pause for thought, no? It is a Putin line, which is not to deny that there exists a significant neo-Nazi element within Ukraine, nor that Ukraine has a questionable history in this respect:
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946
Interestingly, I just saw Tucker Carlson playing this same video this evening in his attack segment on AOC’s support for assisting Ukraine. He did not address use of the phrase “Ukrainian Nazis” by the protester. Should this omission also give pause for thought?
Of course, this observation by no means suggests that we should not soberly evaluate U.S. policy toward the Russia-Ukraine war, just that this should be done objectively without succumbing to propaganda by whomever propagated. In other words, facts, honesty, and truth please, not propaganda, dishonesty, and lies.
Also, why can’t we hear AOC’s responses in the video?
Mark,
There you go again with your moral equivalency when there is none.
The Dems support intrinsic evils like abortion, the Republicans do not. The Biden Administration is pushing the newest perversion: transgenderism and the sexual grooming of children.
The DOJ has done nothing to prosecute attacks on Churches and Pregnancy Counseling Centers but finds time to pursue Stasi Like arrests with guns drawn for pro life advocates.
Lastly, Biden’s economic policies have resulted in serious inflation which harms the working classes the most.
So no, there is no moral equivalency
Yes, illegal actions by pro-abortion forces are met with arrests.
"Fox News reported there were five arrests and that pro-choice picketers were shouting down those going into the church." NY Post 6 August 2022
"Abortion rights activists arrested at Lafayette meeting where AG Jeff Landry was speaking" The Advocate 22 August 2022
"Capitol Police Arrest 181 Protesters Waging Sit-In for Abortion Rights in DC" TruthOut 1 July 2022
"Sioux Falls Police arrest six after unpermitted abortion-rights protest declared unlawful assembly" Mitchell Republic 29 July 2022 (South Dakota)
And the list goes on and on.
TJM:
Perhaps it would help advance the conversation of we jettisoned the concept of “moral equivalency.” Comparing the moral bankruptcy of the Republican Party with the moral bankruptcy of the Democratic Party is like comparing apples and oranges. They are both fruit yet quite distinct.
Related, perhaps it would also advance the conversation if we put you (and some others) to the question regarding the elephant in the room:
Is it your position that victory by the MAGA movement will not mean entrenched one-party minority rule, lack of political accountability, and disrespect for the rule of law (i.e., an illiberal democracy)?
Or is it your position that, even if victory by MAGA does mean this, it is acceptable to you if it also means achieving perceived gains on abortion and various other political, economic, and cultural issues you care about?
I think you know where I stand. I would like to know where you stand.
Once we are clear on this, we should be in a better position to explore the reasons/justifications for holding our respective views.
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