HOLY THURSDAY PAST! LET'S HAVE SOME NOSTALGIA!
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Father McDonald,
If you want some "Nostalgia" take a gander at this Palm Sunday link from The New Liturgical Movement. It shows an awful lot of young clergy and people who do not seem to care one whit about Traditiones Custodes! PF and his Roche will be very, very unhappy!
https://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2022/04/palm-sunday-2022-photopost-part-1.html#more
At a lecture by Fr. Raymond Brown, SS, he noted the exact number of fish caught - 153. (John 21:11)
Being the preeminent scholar of John's Gospel, he said that he and others always wondered about the significance of that number. There was no concensus among them.
So, he said that when he gets to heaven, he will ask God why that particular number is mentioned, what does it mean. He said that he half-fears that God will say "Because that's how many fish were in the net, John!"
Much better to not waste time with poor theater. There is nothing gained by reenacting this part of the last supper except for people who have family members on stage who they want to see acting. Spend time on a reverential Eucharistic procession that can require a good amount of time
I'm very grateful that God did not think that washing feet was merely "poor theater." Yes, God thought it was an essential aspect of our Christian lives, so he inspired the evangelist John to relate the story in his Gospel.
I can't find a Eucharistic procession in the Gospels. Can you provide some direction?
“Father” Brown questioned the Virgin Birth of our Lord. His “scholarship” suited the needs of the leftwing of the Church. Naturally, Father K is a follower
Come now frmjk, everywhere Jesus processed to in His public ministry and His triumphal entry into Jerusalem. Jesus is the Most Holy Eucharist, in the Flesh and Blood and in the Sacramental expression of this very same substantial Reality.
TJM, Fr. Brown, not the crime fighting British wanttobe detective, but the Biblical Scholar was a Sulpician priest, taught at my seminary and he taught me while I was there. Even by the late 70's he acknowledged that some of his musings about using the old liberal protestant carnards of the enlightment period about getting back to the historical Jesus and stripping the Scriptures of later accretions and theology was just as wrong minded and erroneous as the liberal Protestants who did it in the late 1800's, what the Church normally refers to as Modernism. In other words Brown repented.
Sorry, Fr. ALLAN McDonald, the procession into Jerusalem is not a Eucharistic procession. That kind of sloppy thinking must flow from the poor theological formation you received in seminary that you tell us about frequently here in this blog. The Eucharist is the sacramental presence of Jesus under the forms of bread and wine. Jesus, entering Jerusalem, is not a sacramental presence, but the presence of the historical, flesh and blood Jesus.
Fr. Raymond Brown raised questions about the evidence commonly presented for the doctrine of the virgin birth of Jesus. This was entirely appropriate. An analogy might be made with the scholars who questioned the basis for ascribing the authorship of the entire Pentateuch to Moses, an ascription now recognized to be inaccurate.
Father Kavanaugh
Christ processed on Palm Sunday and people adored him. He was lifted up on the cross as Moses lifted up the serpent and people who looked were saved. Adoring the Blessed Sacrement makes sense in this context and addresses your inquiry about specific biblical references. Do you skip the Eucharistic prosession on Holy Thursday?
Washing of the feet should be a ritual used in the sacrament of Holy Orders and would be properly placed there. To wash the feet of some old ladies makes no sense. A bishop washing the feet of the ordained would have some depth of meaning. Watching you crawl around on the ground for 20 minutes might be entertaining to some but it is meaningless to me.
Fr. McDonald,
I am glad to hear that. I had read where even Cardinal Shehan went after him.
Fr. McDonald,
You might find this interesting what was written about Father Brown from a Catholic scholar:
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2016/02/fr-raymond-brown-modernist-dissident.html
Michael A - Equating the procession of Jesus to Jersulaem and a Eucharistic procession today is the type of highly pietistic but theologically shallow thinking that Fr. Raymond Brown examined and, rightly, questioned in his scholarly research and writing.
You have never seen me or any priest crawl around on the ground for 20 minutes. That is the type of baseless hyperbole too many commenters here use when they have no valid arguments.
The Church does not cater to what you find meangful. That is the type of radical individualism - "It's All About What's Meaningful To Me!" - that is often expressed by those here and elsewhere who think is IS all about them...
As far as reenactments. I believe that more Passion plays are good but separate from church services. Maybe Father Kavanaugh agrees with this based on his reasoning regarding feet washing? I don't like play acting in church the Stations of the Cross especially by "the children".
The pedilavium is really nothing to do with the priesthood; it was only inserted into the Maundy Thursday Mass in 1955, and like the other reforms of Holy Week signed off by Pius XII, is questionable. It gives the pedilavium a liturgical significance which it does not warrant.
Catholic monarchs performed the pedilavium up to the beginning of the 20th century. In England Queen Mary I in 1556 washed the feet of forty-one poor women, one for each year of her age. The last English monarch to wash the feet of the poor was the last Catholic king of England, James II, in 1685.
When the pope performed the pedilavium the traditional number was not twelve, but thirteen - the result of a pious legend concerning Pope Gregory the Great.
The OF is “what is meaningful to me” on steroids. The priest dictator picks from among the myriad of options in the Ordo that are meaningful to him. Although some of the duller tools in the ecclesiastical shed can’t see this
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