BELOW MY TEXT IS THE VIDEO OF THE ORDINATION OF THE NEW ARCHBISHOP OF VIENNA. THIS IS A PRE-VATICAN II MASS IN THE MOST POST VATICAN II WAY POSSIBLE!
The irony is that this is suppose to be a Post-Vatican II Bugnini Mass. But is it?
The Video begins with pre-Mass entertainment in and outside the marvelous and quite splendid St. Stephen’s Cathedral in Vienna. An hour or so into the video and after the entertainment, The Mass of Ordination of a Bishop begins.
It has 1970’s written all over it. There is no doubt in my mind that it was planned by a liturgical committee because they created a Giraffe of a Mass! (I needed Alexa to spell that for me!)
The good things about the Mass:
1. The Cathedral is splendidly beautiful and breathtakingly so!
The bad and the ugly of the Mass:
1. The vestments are horrible, just horrible and quite a contrast in ugliness compared to the beauty of the Cathedral.
2. The free standing modern altar doesn’t belong in this Cathedral and it is opposite of the cathedral, just plain ugly in a grotesque kind of way
3. The Music is splendid but triumphant. Triumphalism reigns in the music, especially the Entrance “chant.” Breaking that godawful triumphalism and thus following Vatican II, Gregorian Chant would have been far more suitable. Deacons, priests, bishops and archbishops should never have a triumphalistic Mass to begin their ministries!
4. I could not watch the whole Mass but two things stand out in terms of not doing the red of this neo- Bugnini Mass. First, why do we need laymen (women ) holding the Book of the Gospel over the bishop? Why make an ideological statement in a Mass for Ordaining a Bishop, by adding something to the Rite that is not in the rubrics!? Read the black and do the red!!!
5. What in the name of God and all that is holy is with this passing of the Pastoral Staff (Crozier) from person to person, and of a variety of kinds of people in the Catholic Church until it finally gets to the ordaining bishop who then hands it to the new Archbishop? What stupid, silly and long, repetitious creativity.
6. And all those servers holding candles for the Eucharistic Prayer and throughout the Cathedral and the pompous overuse of incense—and this coming from me, the incense king!
WE NEED VATICAN III AND BUGNINI ON STEROIDS TO REFORM THIS MASS!!!!!
VIENNA (LifeSiteNews) — Josef Grünwidl was ordained Archbishop of Vienna on Saturday in a ceremony at St. Stephen’s Cathedral. The rite included notable deviations from the liturgical texts, with an emphasis on layperson involvement, including women-led roles in the ceremony.
On January 24, Josef Grünwidl was consecrated archbishop during a solemn Mass in Vienna, Austria, after having been appointed by Pope Leo XIV as successor to Cardinal Christoph Schönborn. During the consecration, elements not provided for in the liturgical texts for the ritual were introduced which appeared to express the modernist vision the new bishop holds regarding certain aspects of Christian life, nature, and the structure of the Church.
19 comments:
The vestments are quite beautiful - simple, ample, and elegant.
The altar is, like the vestments, a fine example of understated elegance. It has a depth and beauty that come from the material used, not from add-ons like curlicues and cherubs and what-nots.
Women holding the book of the Gospels! Oh no! Why should half of the Church not be represented in the ritual of ordaining a bishop?
The staff comes from the flock, manifesting the intimate relationship between the sheep and the shepherd.
Did you notice the superb piece chosen for the recessional - from Jospeh Haydn's "Creation," "Awake the harp, the lyre awake"? And this followed by the 5th movement of Widor's Symphony for Organ No.5 - the famous toccata in F major!
Splendid!
No no no Father, you misunderstand! "Noble simplicity" means stripping our rites of so much ritual that we have to make up "meaningful" claptrap to give people something to do other than twiddle their thumbs for a couple hours. Just another success story brought to you by Archbishop Hannibal!
Nick
"Beauty is truth, truth is beauty...." and this event was not pretty. Germany has lost its way and badly needs an exorcism.
Your gave me a great laugh!!! Beautiful ample vestments and understated elegant altar! WHAT A HOOT! I’ve seen your vestments, neither elegant or beautiful just blah! And I remember how beautiful and elegant you thought that stupid altar in Lessard’s train building turned Pastoral Center was—it was horrible and I hope now in the trash heap of inelegance and silliness. And you love accretions to the Bugnini Mass, not approved by Rome, btw, just because women are doing it, why not men in drag? The music was splendid, just too triumphant for the this-faux Bugnini Mass. Vatican II dismissed triumphalism, did you not get the notification?
Ah, that hand crafted from local oak altar and credence table were quite lovely. They were my design, then brought to life by a professional cabinet maker in west Savannah.
Blah, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder, dear boy.
Pope Leo XIV has not displayed any sign that he favors a major overhaul of the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI.
His Holiness has rejected the notion that said Mass does not correspond to Vatican II's liturgical vision. His Holiness identified the reformed Mass as the "Vatican II Mass."
That corresponds to the official teaching of his predecessors, from Pope Saint Paul VI to Francis (requiescat in pace).
Pope Leo XIV:
"Well, you can say Mass in Latin right now. If it's the Vatican II rite there's no problem.
"Obviously, between the Tridentine Mass and the Vatican II Mass, the Mass of Paul VI, I’m not sure where that’s going to go."
The Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI is "the Vatican II Mass," according to Pope Leo XIV. Therefore, I would find it surprising should His Holiness opt for major liturgical reform.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
You designed it? I had forgotten, but that explains the horror even more! It all makes sense now! I wonder whose fireplace it went to and if the local oak burnt well with fragrant hints of chestnuts and acorns in homage to the designer? It was finally put to good use!
I agree with Father McDonald take in regard to the vestments.
I did not view the entire Mass. I did not encounter Latin during the Mass. I do not believe that EP1 had been prayed. I appreciate that the Preface had been sung. The Our Father was recited.
Overall, I had encountered a sober offering the Mass.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
MT, I am confused about your statement not because neither you or me can know what Pope Leo is going to do about the TLM or reforming the Bugnini Mass, but on the specifics of the Ordination Mass I post. I am complaining that reforms are done to this Mass that are not authorized either by the pope or the Dicastery of Divine worship. It is typical of what bishops and priests do to the Bugnini Mass, which you incorrectly call the Mass of Vatican II as Vatican II did not publish a new missal, Pope Paul published Bugnini’s missal, but post-Vatican II. But Pope Paul and subsequent popes have stated clearly that on one, priest, bishop or other, can change the Bugnini post-Vatican II Mass except with the pope’s permission. So, do I hear you correctly that you believe that the Mass I post is the Vatican II Mass or an illicit manipulation of Bugnini’s Mass which is indeed the post-Vatican II Mass/Missal?
I've got to say that the shot of the Eastern prelates (in response tot he music?) at 1:06:43 is priceless.
I thought the exact same thing!
Father, I did not watch the entire Mass. Therefore, I accept that I may have missed moments from said Mass that did not conform with the Church's liturgical directives.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Veni, vidi, flevi
Pope Leo XIV identified the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI as "the Vatican II Mass."
Pope Francis (requiescat in pace) taught that the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI has "reflected the liturgical reform willed by Vatican Council II."
In addition, holy Pope Francis, via Traditionis Custodes, declared:
"The liturgical books promulgated by Saint Paul VI and Saint John Paul II, in conformity with the decrees of Vatican Council II, are the unique expression of the lex orandi of the Roman Rite."
Pax.
Mark Thomas
— From: The Roman Missal:
"Renewed by Decree of the Most Holy Second Ecumenical Council of the Vatican, Promulgated by Authority of Pope Paul VI and Revised at the Direction of Pope John Paul II."
It is clear that what Francis and Leo said isn’t infallible because both are wrong. Vatican II did not create the 1969/70 Bugnini Missal. That is provable. Bugnini did and Paul VI rubber-stamped it. Leo has also called this hot mess the Paul VI Mass which would come closer to infallibility than calling it the Vatican II missal. The Vatican II missal was the 1962 Roman Missal.
The "of course it's great, I designed it myself" mentality really is emblematic of how the Church has been doing things for the last half-century.
Nick
"I have to maintain this expression for how long?"
Nick
No liturgical rite can be declared "infallible."
My observation is that while the Traditional Latin Mass is being given a whip-lashing by the Roche and now the Cupich among others, liturgical abuse (at times nonsense) continues unabated without a single word from the Vatican. One point in particular: the lay women holding the Book of the Gospels over the priest's head while he is being ordained a bishop. The Pontifical requires DEACONS for a good reason illustrated in their own ordination: "Receive the book of the Gospels, whose herald you have become."
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