Diane Montagna has broken news that Fr. Matthieu Raffray, a respected French traditionalist, has sent a proposal to the College of Cardinals concerning an Ordinariate for the Vetus Ordo. You can read Montana’s reporting on this HERE.
Father Raffray notes that the letter was not sent to Pope Leo XIV and is not a “request or demand.” Rather, he says, it is “a working hypothesis addressed to cardinals” ahead of the Jan. 7-8 consistory, and would naturally need to be examined and developed further, particularly with the assistance of canonists.
Such an approach, he says, “acknowledges from the outset that this proposal is not the only possible solution. It is likely that some members of traditional communities may not favor this path or may suggest alternative avenues of study. The letter does not seek to impose a uniform response, but to open a serious and reasoned discussion.”
According to Father Raffray, the letter’s most positive element is its constructive, proactive approach which aims at strengthening “ecclesial unity, in a spirit of communion and in service to the Holy See.”
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Sounds good to me!
This piece from Rorate fits in nicely with this story:
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2026/01/if-i-were-bishop.html#more
I cannot read this well on my phone.
My initial reaction is, it's better than nothing. At the same time, it seems contrary to Pope Benedict XVI's vision and teaching, two valid expressions of the same liturgy.
My question: Is the proposed, therefore, the best solution for all involved, or is it simply a panacea for the ideology and plain bad behavior that plagued SP and the succeeding and uncharitable TC that followed?
Via Diane Montagna's interview in question:
Father Matthieu Raffray, Superior of the European District of the Institute of the Good Shepherd:
"Therefore, it seems reasonable to find a new solution and not to return to Summorum Pontificum."
Pax.
Mark Thomas
And not to return to TC above all.
Much ado about nothing? So far...it's difficult to conclude otherwise.
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In regard to Father Louis-Marie de Blignières' proposal in question:
I have encountered, not surprisingly, numerous negative reactions by leaders of Trad Inc. Rorate Caeli, for example, denounced said proposal as "not good."
As Diane Montagna noted in regard to her interview with Father Raffray:
"Such an approach, he says, “acknowledges from the outset that this proposal is not the only possible solution."
"It is likely that some members of traditional communities may not favor this path or may suggest alternative avenues of study.
"The letter does not seek to impose a uniform response, but to open a serious and reasoned discussion.”
Pax.
Mark Thomas
MT, I would challenge you to be more objective and less reliant on the opinions of others.
As is known, VII was hijacked in several ways, principally regarding sacred liturgy.
Personally, if we truly study the intent of the Council, I have to wonder why SC isn't good enough? To create a rite that, potentially, is unnecessary, seems only to isolate the TLM in a counterproductive way. Like I said, a separate rite might be better than nothing.
ByzRus, thank you.
Without any desire to sound arrogant, I am not very reliant upon the opinions of others...especially when I discern that their opinions differ from my conscience, which I form in line with Holy Mother Church.
If I caved to other folks and their views, I would have thrown in, for example, with various opinions, with which I have disagreed, expressed on Father's blog. If anything, that would have made me far more popular here. But that does not interest me. I do not comprise my conscience that Holy Mother Church has formed.
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We disagree that Vatican II "was hijacked in several ways, principally regarding sacred liturgy." That is, our Popes have upheld the true Council.
Any "hijacking "of the Council has been performed outside official Church teaching.
Pope Leo XIV declared on May 10th that he is on board with the Council...and that his interpretation/implementation will rely upon Pope Francis' (requiescat in pace) interpretation/implementation of Vatican II.
Therefore, the Church's continued interpretation/implementation of Vatican II will remain holy and orthodox in Pope Leo XIV's good hands. As long as we remain in communion with His Holiness, we will receive the authentic Council.
ByzRus, peace, good health, and Happy New Year to you and your family.
Thank you.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
I will accept that which Pope Leo XIV may propose to end the "liturgical war."
But I find it difficult that His Holiness would throw in with the idea to return to Summorum Pontificum. I have viewed that "solution" as ridiculous.
I believe that Father Matthieu Raffray, Superior of the European District of the Institute of the Good Shepherd, called it well in regard to Summorum Pontificum:
"Therefore, it seems reasonable to find a new solution and not to return to Summorum Pontificum."
But we will see as to Pope Leo XIV's decision in that regard.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Father McDonald said: "And not to return to TC above all."
Pope Leo XIV has upheld Traditionis Custodes.
That is his document as he is Pope. Traditionis Custodes is his official teaching.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
MT Suit,
Still waiting for your answers on the following:
1) What diocese do you reside in?
2) What did Francis do to discipline the clerics at the Vatican engaged in a cocaine fueled gay sex orgy?
Please don't hide! We so need your answers! Holy, holy!
MT, wishing you and yours peace, health and happiness in the new year, and always.
ByzRus,
I had forgotten to add the following yesterday:
Thank you having educated me in regard to Eastern Catholicism. I have a Maronite background. I have been blessed as I have viewed various Eastern Divine Liturgies via Youtube.
But thanks to you, I have learned much about East via your informative posts to Father McDonald's important blog.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
MT Suit, still incapable of answering these simple two questions?
1) What diocese do you reside in?
2) What did Francis do to discipline the clerics at the Vatican engaged in a cocaine fueled gay sex orgy?
Please don't hide! We so need your answers! Holy, holy!
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