Clearly, I stand on the side of truth when it comes to what season the Baptism of the Lord is. It is the first Sunday Solemnity in Ordinary Time. It begins the First Sunday of Ordinary Time but as a Solemnity, similar to Christ the King which is the Last Sunday in Ordinary Time. Capice! And here’s the basis for the Splendor of Truth that I proclaim year after year after year:
And most importantly, may any of the Eucharistic Prayers be prayed in a low voice when using the 1970 Revised Roman Missal? Yes, even the updated 1974 Sacramentary allows for it! And I would be so bold to say that when the Rubric points out that the Eucharistic Prayer may be prayed in an audible voice, that the presumption is the norm is a low voice, no?
Here you go with the basis for my Divine Truth in this matter:
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I have favored in recent years audible Eucharist Prayers...most definitely, EP1.
That prayer is so powerful...so, if you will, Catholic, that to hear said prayer clearly is of great spiritual benefit.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
The hacking of the Roman Canon demands immediate attention in the name of Feminism. How dare a sexist priest omit saying the names of the lady saints!!!
MT, you have named the disease of the Fabricated Novus Ordo, and that is options galore! And who makes the choices? The priest or the bishop. Rite of Sprinkling is an option over the penitential Act. Who chooses? Some like the Confiteor for the Penitential Act although there are a slew of other choices too. Who decides? The priest or the bishop. There are a slew of Prefaces for Ordinary time. Who chooses? The priest or the bishop. There are a slew of Eucharistic Prayers, who chooses? The priest or the bishop. There are a number of Prayers over the People at the final blessing, these are optional and in the options there are options. Who chooses? The priest or the bishop. And since the official introit, offertory and communion antiphons can be omitted for something similar, who chooses? the choir director. Who cares if you or any lay person likes an audible or low voice Eucharistic prayer! The priest makes that choice not you or anyone else.
Father McDonald,
Bravo!
In terms of the Roman Canon, I believe "liberal" priests neve use it because it undercuts the liberals Big Lie that women are not respected by the Church. They also conveniently forget the women who were named Doctors of the Church, again, because it undercuts their false narrative!
MT Suit, you can read the Roman Canon while the priest says it inaudibly or is that beyond your intellectual powers?
Father McDonald said..."Who cares if you or any lay person likes an audible or low voice Eucharistic prayer! The priest makes that choice not you or anyone else."
If that is what Holy Mother Church allows, then that is fine with me.
I favor Holy Communion on the tongue (kneeling), ad orientem posture...
But Holy Mother Church permits options. I obey Church teachings.
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Father McDonald said..."MT, you have named the disease of the Fabricated Novus Ordo, and that is options galore!"
Father, does Pope Leo XIV share your claim in question?
I have not encountered from His Holiness any indication that he agrees that "options galore" constitute the "disease" of the "Fabricated Novus Ordo."
For decades, Father Robert Prevost has exercised said "diseased" options...and has continued that practice as Pope.
Pope Leo XIV, should he agree with your claim in question, has the authority to cure said supposed "disease."
However, should His Holiness, in line with our holy Popes, beginning with Saint Paul VI, -permit said supposed "disease" to continue, then Pope Leo XIV will have fed us horrible, destructive, "diseased," "fabricated" liturgy.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
A lot of people are in denial about various diseases, liturgical and otherwise, popes and laity.
Okay. Then the following is undeniable:
Father McDonald, if you are correct in regard to your horrific negative assessment of the "diseased" Holy Mass of Pope Paul VI, then Holy Mother Church has, for decades, fed us "diseased" liturgy.
You have fed your spiritual children a "diseased" Mass.
Father McDonald, as Trad Inc. would say, you have long been part of the problem.
Father McDonald, how can you, in good conscience, offer that which you have insisted is a "diseased, banal, fabricated Nervous Disorder" Mass?
Radtrad priests echo your horrific assessment of the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI. However, they have courage of their conviction in question. That is, they have fled said Mass.
Father McDonald, have you considered that for yourself? Or, will you continue to offer the "diseased Nervous Disorder"?
Pax.
Mark Thomas
I will celebrate any form of the Mass, diseased or not, allowed to me. I also am very close to diseased and disordered parishioners—I pray for a healing but in the meantime I am close to them in their diseases and disorders. There is hope for the diseased Novus Ordo—never think Christ can’t or won’t bring about a healing in His own time, not ours.
Father McDonald said..."I also am very close to diseased and disordered parishioners — I pray for a healing but in the meantime I am close to them in their diseases and disorders."
Father, you do not, unfortunately, offer healing to your "diseased and disordered parishioners" as you, based upon your claims in regard to the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI, offer "diseased" liturgy to your spiritual children.
I also do not understand how a holy Church could possibly inflict Her spiritual children with disease. That is what She has done for decades via Her supposed "diseased" Mass of Pope Paul VI.
How could such a Church insist with a straight face that She is holy and true?
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Mark Thomas,
Did the Church feed us a diseased Mass for 1900 years before it was found defective and needed to be replaced? The specific form that the Mass should take is a question of prudential judgment, not doctrine or Church teaching. Just as the new Mass was the result of criticisms leveled at the historical form of the Mass, it is legitimate to criticize the present form.
Anthony said..."Did the Church feed us a diseased Mass for 1900 years before it was found defective and needed to be replaced?"
Anthony, thank you for your response.
Anthony, the Church for centuries has enacted reforms specific to the Roman Liturgy. But when did folks, following a given reform, declare that the Church had foisted liturgical poison upon the Faithful?
When did Holy Mother Church authorize a Missal that had broken supposedly with Her Roman Liturgical Tradition?
When did the Latin Church offer a supposed banal, manufactured Mass?
There is a profound difference between somebody who, in charitable fashion, presents the case to introduce certain reforms into the Mass...versus a person who has declared that the Holy Mass is diseased.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Anthony,
Pope Benedict XVI insisted that to enter into full communion with him, the SSPX had been required "to acknowledge the liturgical reform as good."
Pope Francis (requiescat in pace): "We can affirm with certainty and with magisterial authority that the liturgical is irreversible."
Pope Saint John Paul II:
"With a view to the practical implementation of the Second Vatican Council’s Constitution Sacrosanctum Concilium on the Liturgy, Pope Paul VI instituted a Consilium later the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship and they carried out the task entrusted to them with generosity, competence and promptness."
"The reform of the rites and the liturgical books was undertaken immediately after the promulgation of the Constitution Sacrosanctum Concilium and was brought to an effective conclusion in a few years thanks to the considerable and selfless work of a large number of experts and bishops from all parts of the world.
"This work was undertaken in accordance with the conciliar principles of fidelity to tradition and openness to legitimate development; and so it is possible to say that the reform of the Liturgy is strictly traditional and in accordance with “the ancient usage of the holy Fathers”.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
MT, Cardinal Cupich allows this in his archdiocese but says the TLM is a spectacle. But yes, this is what the Bugnini/Paul VI fabricated Mass, as Pope Benedict described it, hath wrought and with Episcopal approval in the Archdiocese of Chicago. No kneeling for communion there.
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