Batman had a character known as “Two Face” and it appears that this character is a favorite of Cardinal Roche.
The interview below by Cardinal Roche is stunning and shows the good face of Cardinal Roche.
Below the interview I link the New Liturgical Movement’s stunning critique of the other face of Cardinal Roche, which isn’t pretty!
You can read the stunning critique at The New Liturgical Movement of the paper that Cardinal Roche gave to the cardinals to read after the Extraordinary Consistory HERE.
I pray that this stunning critique is widely distributed to the Cardinals of the Consistory and Pope Leo himself!
HERE ARE SOME MONEY BYTES FROM THE NEW LITURGICAL MOVEMENT ARTICLE:
It is very difficult to see how His Eminence (Cardinal Roche) can be correct when he states that “the use of the liturgical books that the Council sought to reform was, from St John Paul II to Francis, a concession that in no way envisaged their promotion.” Is it possible that His Eminence has wholly forgotten the reign of Pope Benedict XVI? (Prima facie, this seems unlikely, since it was the latter who appointed him to the Congregation, as it was then called, for Divine Worship.) Can he have wholly forgotten statements such as this one made by His Eminence Dario Cardinal Castrillon-Hoyos? who, as President of the Ecclesia Dei Commission, said in an address to the Latin Mass Society of England and Wales:
“(Summorum Pontificum) gives rights to the ordinary faithful and to priests which must be respected by those in authority. The Holy Father is aware that in different places around the world many requests from priests and lay faithful who desired to celebrate according to the ancient rites were often not acted upon. That is why he has now authoritatively established that to celebrate according to the more ancient form of the liturgy – the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as well the sacraments and other liturgical rites – is a juridical right, and not just a privilege, accorded to all.
Certainly this must be done in harmony with both ecclesiastical law and ecclesiastical superiors, but superiors also must recognise that these rights are now firmly established in the law of the Church by the Vicar of Christ himself. It is a treasure that belongs to the whole Catholic Church and which should be widely available to all of Christ’s faithful. (my emphasis) This means that parish priests and bishops must accept the petitions and the requests of the faithful who ask for it and that priests and bishops must do all that they can to provide this great liturgical treasure of the Church’s tradition for the faithful.”
“(Summorum Pontificum) gives rights to the ordinary faithful and to priests which must be respected by those in authority. The Holy Father is aware that in different places around the world many requests from priests and lay faithful who desired to celebrate according to the ancient rites were often not acted upon. That is why he has now authoritatively established that to celebrate according to the more ancient form of the liturgy – the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as well the sacraments and other liturgical rites – is a juridical right, and not just a privilege, accorded to all.
Certainly this must be done in harmony with both ecclesiastical law and ecclesiastical superiors, but superiors also must recognise that these rights are now firmly established in the law of the Church by the Vicar of Christ himself. It is a treasure that belongs to the whole Catholic Church and which should be widely available to all of Christ’s faithful. (my emphasis) This means that parish priests and bishops must accept the petitions and the requests of the faithful who ask for it and that priests and bishops must do all that they can to provide this great liturgical treasure of the Church’s tradition for the faithful.”
Can His Eminence also have forgotten his predecessor-but-one in his current job, Antonio Cardinal Cañizares? who said, “Summorum Pontificum is of great value which we should all appreciate; it has not only to do with the liturgy, but with the whole of the Church’s being and what it means to tradition, without which the Church is converted into a changing human institution, and of course, also has an application to the reading and interpretation that is made of Vatican II.”
Can he have forgotten statements from Pope Benedict himself such as this one, that he issued Summorum Pontificum to favor “... the unity of the Church with itself, in its interior, with its past; that that which was holy for Her before should not be in any way an evil now”? How could this possibly be, if it were not his intention to promote the continued use of the traditional liturgy? Can he have forgotten that St John Paul II urged the bishops to a “wide and generous application” of the permission to celebrate the traditional liturgy under the Ecclesia Dei indult?
Perhaps he can, and far be it from me, of course, to suggest that His Eminence, in writing and circulating this document during a consistory, was trying to persuade his fellow Eminences of things he himself knows to be untrue. At the same time, as we pray that His Eminence recover from whatever injury or illness has compromised his memories of the previous pontificate but one, we may trust that such specific lapses of memory are rare, and it is unlikely that any other Eminences suffer from them.
Can he have forgotten statements from Pope Benedict himself such as this one, that he issued Summorum Pontificum to favor “... the unity of the Church with itself, in its interior, with its past; that that which was holy for Her before should not be in any way an evil now”? How could this possibly be, if it were not his intention to promote the continued use of the traditional liturgy? Can he have forgotten that St John Paul II urged the bishops to a “wide and generous application” of the permission to celebrate the traditional liturgy under the Ecclesia Dei indult?
Perhaps he can, and far be it from me, of course, to suggest that His Eminence, in writing and circulating this document during a consistory, was trying to persuade his fellow Eminences of things he himself knows to be untrue. At the same time, as we pray that His Eminence recover from whatever injury or illness has compromised his memories of the previous pontificate but one, we may trust that such specific lapses of memory are rare, and it is unlikely that any other Eminences suffer from them.
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In regard to the paper on the TLM that Cardinal Roche had circulated last week to his brother Cardinals:
From: Austen Ivereigh:
"Leo asked him to prepare this. He was one of four cardinals asked to prepare briefings on the four topics Leo had chosen."
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From: Edward Pentin:
"According to Catholic commentator Austen Ivereigh, who is close to those advising Pope Leo XIV, the Holy Father had asked Cardinal Roche to prepare the paper."
Pax.
Mark Thomas
LOL - Leo set a trap for that simpleton.
The New Liturgical Movement article in question has denounced Cardinal Roche for his supposed war against Summorum Pontificum.
New Liturgical Movement has forgotten that if said premise is true, then His Eminence is in good company with leading "traditionalists."
Said trads, along with various supporters, have denounced Summorum Pontificum as a flawed, muddled, document destined to flop.
Last week for example, Michael Matt's Remnant TV episode denounced Summorum Pontificum as a trap designed to mollify trads...trads get the TLM...Pope Benedict XVI lures them into acceptance of Vatican...as he "dolls up" the Novus Ordo (reform of the reform)...which will replace the TLM.
An example of Trad Inc.'s war against Summorum Pontificum...right from the start.
Catholic Family News, August 2007 A.D.
"The Motu Proprio contains numerous oddities, the most prominent of which is its claim that the Novus Ordo and Latin Tridentine Mass are two forms of the one Roman Rite: the Liturgy of Pope Paul VI is the ordinary form, and the Latin Tridentine Mass is the extraordinary form.
"Pope Benedict’s letter to the bishops that accompanied the Motu Proprio goes on to say “There is no contradiction between the two editions of the Roman Missal.”
"This is simply not true. Clearly the New Mass represents a destruction of the Roman Rite, not an “ordinary” form of it. The New Mass was not constructed to be a clear expression of the Catholic Faith, nor was it designed for the proper worship of God that is His due.
"It was formulated, rather, as surrender to Protestantism for the sake of a bogus ecumenism.
"Thus it is absurd to claim this protestantized liturgy is the ordinary form of the Roman Rite. Nothing is gained by pretending this absurdity does not exist."
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If Cardinal Roche has attacked Summorum Pontificum, then he is in good company with various trads...something that New Liturgical Movement had failed to mention.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
MT. You must love the derision of others by the lack of logic in your statements. One might deride Summorum Pontificum, which Cardinal Roche does so indirectly, while first embracing it in the video I posted, but what he is doing is supporting Traditionis Custodis that cancels not just Summorum Pontificum but also Ecclesia Dei as it existed prior to SP and cancels the TLM altogether. The Eastern Rites should properly fear this kind of rigidity as it concerns the liturgies of the Church, both in the east and west.
Cardinal Roche is similarly in good company with TVT (Those Vile Trads, (TM) by MT) in saying there's nothing wrong with the TLM, even after TC was promulgated. The man truly is a weathervane.
Nick
Father McDonald said..."but what he is doing is supporting Traditionis Custodis that cancels not just Summorum Pontificum but also Ecclesia Dei as it existed prior to SP and cancels the TLM altogether."
Traditionis Custodes is the official teaching of Pope Leo XIV.
On May 8, 2025 A.D., Pope Leo XIV acquired responsibility for Traditionis Custodes. His Holiness has maintained said document from the date in question to this second.
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Austen Ivereigh is, as Edward Pentin noted, close to various folks who, in turn advise Pope Leo XIV.
Edward Pentin noted that Austen Ivereigh reported that Cardinal Roche had disseminated the pro-Traditionis Custodes letter per Pope Leo XIV's authorization.
Just sayin'
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Father McDonald said..."MT. You must love the derision of others by the lack of logic in your statements.'
Father, without a scintilla of nastiness or arrogance, I say in regard to derision aimed at me: I couldn't care less.
However, should somebody engage me in charitable fashion, I would dialogue with he, or she, in charitable fashion. Perhaps he, or she, would change an opinion of mine.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Perhaps Peter Kwasniewski, who had authored the following denunciation of Summorum Pontificum, compose the letter that Cardinal Roche had distributed to his brother Cardinals.
-- Summorum Pontificum at Fourteen: Its Tragic Flaws
by Peter Kwasniewski
Crisis Magazine
https://crisismagazine.com/opinion/the-tragic-flaws-of-a-great-gesture-summorum-pontificum-at-fourteen
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"It’s fair to say right from the start that Summorum Pontificum was useful to the traditional Catholic movement in the way that an enormous old-time booster rocket was useful for launching a spaceship into orbit:
"it has a lot of raw power but can only do so much, and when it’s empty, it falls away.
"Summorum is destined to be one of the great papal interventions in history, but it is no more than damage control; it cannot be a pillar, much less a foundation, of a permanent structure."
Pax.
Mark Thomas
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