The priest at the beginning of the video I post below mirrors in some ways, not all, my own experience with Summorum Pontificum in 2007.
My bishop at the time wasn’t as organized or intentional as Bishop Jugis in Charlotte at the time, but he did give priests a green light to celebrate theTLM if they could handle the Latin and learn the ceremonies and poll the parish to see how many would be interested.
My own experience was not to have a weekly Sunday TLM, but only monthly and at a time that did not disturb those who appreciated the Ordinary Mass at the time they traditionally went.
I did add a weekly Low TLM at 5 pm on Tuesdays to help me to allow the TLM to get into my blood.
Eventually we had TLMs for special Holy Day Masses in addition to the Ordinary Form and always made clear that it was a TLM not to catch anyone off-guard.
There was no divisiveness about the TLM at St. Joseph Church in Macon from 2007 to the time of TC.
Most of my parishioners who went to the TLM also appreciated and loved the Ordinary Form. No one was demanding a weekly Sunday TLM or complaining about the way we celebrated the Ordinary Form as we tried to celebrate it well with dignity and reverence.
What Pope Francis did to TLM communities and bishops who zealously implemented TC, even the Johnny-come-lately Bishop of Charlotte is a mortal sin against charity, against Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI. There’s no other way to say it.
I appreciate this video and I feel for those laity, so young, so strong in their faith, grappling with a dictatorial and authoritarian crackdown. Pope Benedict liberated these Catholics; Pope Francis (RIP) and bishops zealously and uncaringly implementing TC have oppressed them and needlessly so!
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To be fair to Francis, Benedict did stipulate that the decision to liberate the old form would be reviewed after 3 years but this wasn’t done. Francis initiated that consultation at the 10 year point when it was clear that a number of pastoral issues were evident in various countries and it was being used by a noisy minority as a platform to undermine the conciliar reforms and his papacy. I know from the UK that it caused division ➗ n a number of parishes where the priest imposed the TLM on them and the parish was taken over by supporters with the regulars pushed out.
Where we go from here I don’t know but I do agree the TLM should generally be confined to shrines or personal parishes.
https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2025/08/20/french-historian-delves-into-the-tumultuous-history-of-catholic-traditionalism/
Big Benny: I think during Francis' consultation phase, if we want to call it that, he was looking for a problem to fit his pre determined solution (TC). We now know that the responses from Bishops worldwide actually said 'leave SP alone. It's working fine as it is.' This is not what Francis wanted to hear so in true Jesuit fashion he slammed his fist on the desk and said NO. I've watched this very genuine, authentic video posted here and I hope, somehow, Leo will be as moved as I was.
Right on target, Mister Tom. I watched the video yesterday afternoon and thought it was very well done.
In another turn about…
https://thecatholicherald.com/article/vatican-drops-sspx-pilgrimage-from-official-jubilee-2025-calendar
I accept that Pope Francis' (requiescat in pace) had acted in good faith when he issued Traditionis Custodes. He had maintained Summorum Pontificum for years.
Pope Francis had tolerated for years the nonsense that had engulfed the TLM Movement. In that regard, he had been criticized for having been too tolerant.
I have viewed Traditionis Custodes as a measured, solid response to the manner in which Summorum Pontificum had been weaponized against the Church.
Even New Catholic (Rorate Caeli), during a rare moment of having treated Pope Francis in fair, honest fashion, reported the following:
-- Francis, in interview: Actually, the Traditional Mass was not abolished, I just wanted a “constructive reordering” of Summorum Pontificum…
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2021/09/francis-in-interview-actually.html
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His Holiness, Pope Leo XIV, may have a way forward that differs from Summorum Pontificum, as well as Traditionis Custodes. In that case, I would accept any decision that His Holiness may render.
I would not denounce/resist any Magisterial decision that Pope Leo XIV may reach.
As of today, Traditionis Custodes is in force. I respect Pope Leo XIV's decision to maintain Traditionis Custodes.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
I don't know which is more, shall we say, interesting. These characters or the One, holy Catholic, Apostolic, and Palmarian Catholics!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRMJGrUrWzg
His Holiness Pope Francis, RIP, was wrong and focused on the gnat rather than taking care of the plank in his own eye. Fortunately, by the grace of the Holy Spirit and His surprises, Pope Leo is refining the mistakes of Pope Francis. In a moment of genius Pope Leo told Amazon bishops not to enter into nature worship, i.e. Pachamma. He told moral theologians to follow the model of St. Alphonsus Liguori in their moral theologians not post-Vatican II moral theologians disordering the teachings of the Church. The greatest problem of the Church, right under the nose of Pope Francis and at his table during the synod are heterodox leftists who outnumber the rad trads by a significant percentage. They are the danger for the Church and thanks be to God, Pope Leo is smart enough and Catholic enough to know that.
MT Suit,
You are truly detached from reality, you must be a Democrat too
Posted by Fr. Allan J. McDonald at Thursday, March 21, 2013
Father McDonald, there was a time when you had acknowledged that "traditionalists" rejected large portions of Vatican II...opposed the Magisterium...lived in the past...posed a threat to Church unity.
You identified as a "papist" who would stand always with Pope Francis (requiescat in pace).
Ahh...the good 'ol days around here!
:-)
Pax.
Mark Thomas
https://onepeterfive.com/growing-up-underground-latin-mass/
Bottom line: The Novus Bogus has been a flop, emptying pews and inspiring few vocations to the priesthood. Einstein's definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results!
TC attacks faithful Catholics but does NOTHING about heretical bishops committing sacrilege, like this one. This will shock you!
https://radicalfidelity.substack.com/p/bishop-profanes-the-altar-of-god
You see that kind of comment is exactly why Francis abrogated SP!
Yeah he got his wrist slapped by Rome for that!
big benny aka k,
DId you even bother to read the article?f you did, and you are intellectually honest, you would know that TC is a steaming pile of hypocrisy and prevarication
Agree BB, but you have seen how the modern Mass is celebrated in many places yet no Muro promotion to cancel it!
Well it’s coz of comments like yours that gave justification for TC. I think even Burke warned trade to mind their tone so as not to undermine their case.
big benny, aka MT, yet another commenter for whom anything contrary to their chosen position slides right off the brain.
Nick
By the same standard, countless NO parishes deserve suppression or shunting away into non-parish locations to prevent their dangerous, divisive ideologies from spreading.
Nick
Meant trads not *trade
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