Joe Roberts / Fr. MJK, says a lot if someone were to prepare that for you and shaking ensues. Really showed 'em. Really advanced the "cause". Really gave a lazer focus on what's important, not the care of preparation, but the destruction.
We used to lay out vestments the traditional way as well. For some priests, we put out a card with vesting prayers. O the humanity! One visiting priest, a missionary, totally ill-mannered, seemed positively offended for reasons no one could discern, scooped it all up and slung it all over his shoulder. Gave me an unsolicited dressing down regarding all we had that so many don't (it didn't happen or free btw). All I said was "I see you're here for some of it."
Byz - Precisely stacked hosts in the ciborium is completely unnecessary and, I would say, a waste of time. Giving them a shake isn't "destruction" in any sense of the word. If a priest wants his vestments arranged in the "traditional" way - whatever that may be - have at it. My vestments hang neatly on hangers in the sacristy, and I don't expect some servant to lay them out as if I were a member of the Downton Abbey aristocracy who is only marginally capable of dressing himself in the morning.
"Byz - Precisely stacked hosts in the ciborium is completely unnecessary and, I would say, a waste of time."
Your opinion, your style.
"Giving them a shake isn't "destruction" in any sense of the word." Not nuclear destruction, and if done just to make your point, just rude."
"If a priest wants his vestments arranged in the "traditional" way - whatever that may be - have at it."
I suppose so, but, when a guest in someone else's house, the polite individual usually just goes with the flow except where action/preparation is illicit. My boss was a Msgr, he outranks you, that's what he wanted for guests and the other priests, so that's the protocol we followed. Usually, such preparations were met with surprise and delight, here, not sure what this individual's problem was other than lack of basic manners.
"My vestments hang neatly on hangers in the sacristy, and I don't expect some servant to lay them out as if I were a member of the Downton Abbey aristocracy who is only marginally capable of dressing himself in the morning." I never felt like a servant and I haven't had occasion to visit Downton Abbey. I'm sorry such actions so offend, we ran an efficient and organized sacristy where back-to-back masses required prep that we were happy to do. Our 9:30 was the principal mass for Sunday, with incense. Reason? That's what Msgr wanted and felt to be appropriate so adequate options were available for parishioners and we followed the books by having. O the horror!!
In my experience, those who tell me how carefully and neatly they hang their vestments and how unnecessary / waste of time "x" and "y" is, generally have a look to their work product. It's not wrong/bad/awful, but, it's nothing anyone will remember either.
Byz - No, a monsignor does not "outrank" a simple parish priest such as myself. The title is honorary - it carries with it no authority that any priest has.
Inasmuch as you have never seen my "work product" your comment about how I present myself at mass is nothing but laughable. Oh, and in my experience, those who tell me things about myself having never seen or met me are bothered by something, but it isn't me.
Byz - Monsignors have no higher standing. It is an honorary title that carries no weight.
No, you didn't address me "directly." But you did address me. You reveal that you know this already because you responded to my comment that - wait for it - didn't address you directly.
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Yes! I was presented with exactly that once.
Hilarious! (And I understand YOU and the SACRISTAN!)
Being classically trained, I used to do this during my Roman sacristan days. Used to try and eliminate most particles too.
Scrup to an nth? I don't know. It seemed worth the trouble on several fronts.
I don't know what it is I have, but I have the urge to give them a side-to-side shake.
K has the sadz! Anything Catholic depresses him.
Joe - A man after my own heart!
Joe Roberts / Fr. MJK, says a lot if someone were to prepare that for you and shaking ensues. Really showed 'em. Really advanced the "cause". Really gave a lazer focus on what's important, not the care of preparation, but the destruction.
We used to lay out vestments the traditional way as well. For some priests, we put out a card with vesting prayers. O the humanity! One visiting priest, a missionary, totally ill-mannered, seemed positively offended for reasons no one could discern, scooped it all up and slung it all over his shoulder. Gave me an unsolicited dressing down regarding all we had that so many don't (it didn't happen or free btw). All I said was "I see you're here for some of it."
Byz - Precisely stacked hosts in the ciborium is completely unnecessary and, I would say, a waste of time. Giving them a shake isn't "destruction" in any sense of the word. If a priest wants his vestments arranged in the "traditional" way - whatever that may be - have at it. My vestments hang neatly on hangers in the sacristy, and I don't expect some servant to lay them out as if I were a member of the Downton Abbey aristocracy who is only marginally capable of dressing himself in the morning.
Have you seen how you dress, liturgically and otherwise? SHEESH! If everrrr…..
"Byz - Precisely stacked hosts in the ciborium is completely unnecessary and, I would say, a waste of time."
Your opinion, your style.
"Giving them a shake isn't "destruction" in any sense of the word." Not nuclear destruction, and if done just to make your point, just rude."
"If a priest wants his vestments arranged in the "traditional" way - whatever that may be - have at it."
I suppose so, but, when a guest in someone else's house, the polite individual usually just goes with the flow except where action/preparation is illicit. My boss was a Msgr, he outranks you, that's what he wanted for guests and the other priests, so that's the protocol we followed. Usually, such preparations were met with surprise and delight, here, not sure what this individual's problem was other than lack of basic manners.
"My vestments hang neatly on hangers in the sacristy, and I don't expect some servant to lay them out as if I were a member of the Downton Abbey aristocracy who is only marginally capable of dressing himself in the morning." I never felt like a servant and I haven't had occasion to visit Downton Abbey. I'm sorry such actions so offend, we ran an efficient and organized sacristy where back-to-back masses required prep that we were happy to do. Our 9:30 was the principal mass for Sunday, with incense. Reason? That's what Msgr wanted and felt to be appropriate so adequate options were available for parishioners and we followed the books by having. O the horror!!
In my experience, those who tell me how carefully and neatly they hang their vestments and how unnecessary / waste of time "x" and "y" is, generally have a look to their work product. It's not wrong/bad/awful, but, it's nothing anyone will remember either.
Byz - No, a monsignor does not "outrank" a simple parish priest such as myself. The title is honorary - it carries with it no authority that any priest has.
Inasmuch as you have never seen my "work product" your comment about how I present myself at mass is nothing but laughable. Oh, and in my experience, those who tell me things about myself having never seen or met me are bothered by something, but it isn't me.
While not have additional authority, Monsignors have a higher standing relative to one not thusly titled.
I didn't address you directly, as, obviously, we've never met.
Otherwise, believe as you wish.
Byz - Monsignors have no higher standing. It is an honorary title that carries no weight.
No, you didn't address me "directly." But you did address me. You reveal that you know this already because you responded to my comment that - wait for it - didn't address you directly.
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