I copy this from ChurchPop:
The guys cover the following topics:
• The irritating things that too many Catholics do
• Should you hold hands during the Our Father?
• The biggest Church design flaws
• What parts of the liturgy do priests need to do better?
2) Too many extraordinary ministers of the Holy Eucharist
3) Receiving from the cup when you are sick
4) Wandering around during sign of peace, peace sign during sign of peace
5) Excessive socializing before Mass
6) Not fasting before Mass
7) Keeping your phone ringer on when you go to Mass
8) Not donating
9) Leaving early from Mass
10) Bad preaching during homilies
11) Receiving Communion in the state of mortal sin
12) Dressing improperly
13) Not ringing the bells during the consecration
14) Genuflecting towards the altar when the tabernacle is located elsewhere
15) Holding hands during the Our Father
The guys cover the following topics:
• The irritating things that too many Catholics do
• Should you hold hands during the Our Father?
• The biggest Church design flaws
• What parts of the liturgy do priests need to do better?
Listen to the episode below:
15 Things That Need to Stop Happening During Mass, According to The Catholic Talk Show
1) Clapping During Mass2) Too many extraordinary ministers of the Holy Eucharist
3) Receiving from the cup when you are sick
4) Wandering around during sign of peace, peace sign during sign of peace
5) Excessive socializing before Mass
6) Not fasting before Mass
7) Keeping your phone ringer on when you go to Mass
8) Not donating
9) Leaving early from Mass
10) Bad preaching during homilies
11) Receiving Communion in the state of mortal sin
12) Dressing improperly
13) Not ringing the bells during the consecration
14) Genuflecting towards the altar when the tabernacle is located elsewhere
15) Holding hands during the Our Father
21 comments:
The priest needs to stop saying the Mass and start chanting It.
Bee here:
- Not genuflecting at all when you enter or leave the pew.
- Allowing your children (typically grade school age) to leave the pew, unescorted, numerous times, to walk up and down the aisles during Mass. It's especially upsetting when this happens during the consecration.
- Allowing your toddler to run up and down the aisle or in back of church, during the Mass.
God bless.
Bee
Get rid of the altar girls in the parishes.
16. Stop selecting hymns that sound like TV show and movie theme songs.
17. Stop the socializing in the body of the church before and after Mass. The loud talking and laughing distracts people actually trying to pray before the Blessed Sacrament.
18. Stop the wandering in and out all during Mass. Take care of bodily functions before Mass instead of during, and this goes especially for kids who just want to get up and stroll around because they're bored. This is distracting, especially when they're in the same pew.
19. Clergy and EMHC need to stop touching peoples' probably dirty hair and clothes when they go up for their "participation trophy blessing" and then reach in for a Host at Communion time.
As for me, I would excuse almost any behavior at the mass (or possibly would not ever see it) if the shepherds actually believed in what the Church taught, and weren't encouraged to be all over the spectrum of beliefs and practices - brought to you by the 'god of surprises' and his followers.
But they don't really believe.
This usually happens in smaller parishes, but sometimes in bigger ones too: Before the final blessing, the priest asks if there are any birthdays. When someone invariably stands or raises their hand, it is followed by more applause. In some ridiculous cases, priests prepare wrapped presents and call the person out--particularly annoying if you have small children who have been fidgeting for an hour and you need to get them out of the church, but you also want to teach them not to leave early.
Much of the stuff on this list reflects how the Novus Ordo culture stopped respecting the Mass as a holy sacrifice and fostered a mindset that it was some sort of community show.
Can you imagine Jesus at the last supper: "We're going to have a little gathering at the Garden of Gethsemane later, but first--are there any birthdays?"
Dan,
Too right, mate. Too right.
The celebrant should read the Mass from the missal adding, subtracting, or changing nothing. This would be a great kinosis that would reform the priesthood.
I could add to the list, but where I attend Mass in the OF none of the 15 points apply, except for a few people who overdo it at the Pax.
Regarding genuflexion, it was normal to genuflect to the altar and its crucifix, whether or not the Blessed Sacrament was reserved on it (and in a cathedral it wouldn't be). The question of genuflexion is in any case problematic. In the Middle Ages it had secular connotations (the feudal act of homage) and so does not appear in the liturgy. The Use of Sarum has no genuflexions, and the Dominican rite, which pre-dates Trent by three centuries, prescribes only a 'moderate bow' when passing in front of the tabernacle. The genuflexions which do occur result from pressures to 'Romanize' the rite.
How about singing all the stanzas of the hymns, not just singing enough to get the procession to and from the altar? Even if that means singing all 8 stanzas of "For All the Saints"? I notice in an Episcopal Eucharist, in most instances, when the hymn is in the service program, you don't just sing some of the stanzas. And when people are late for Mass, seat them at the proper times, not say during a reading.
!. No Communion in the Hand.
@. No Versus Populum celebration.
3. No female altar servers.
4. No standing for Communion "in procession" (restore altar rails).
5. No lay EMHC's (priest or deacon only--the Ordinary Ministers of Holy Communion).
6. Roman Canon only for Sundays (in the NO Mass).
7. Penitential Rite A only for Sundays (in the NO Mass).
Greeters--COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY!
Make us feel "welcome"? Get real! WHAT CHURCH DOES NOT WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL WELCOME?
HOW STUPID DO PRIESTS AND PARISH DO-GOODERS THINK THE REST OF US ARE?
Mass is a sacred rite and, believe it or not, some lay people wish to prepare themselves for this rite and some parents are trying to train their children to start the silence before entering the church building. Having some well-intentioned person at the door hit us with a loud, "HOW ARE YOU TODAY?" completely shatters the mood we are trying to set.
All around the country, there are people who attend weekday Masses and they keep coming back, even though there is no greeter to make them "feel welcome". Why in the heck do we need them at Sunday Mass?
Joseph Johnson:
I love your list, but I fear I won't live to see it in my lifetime. Another generation of geritol hippies will probably have to pass before we can restore common sense.
Robert,
Thanks for the affirmation and good to hear from you! Obviously, the "@" was supposed to be a "2"!
My current pastor (at St. Joseph, Waycross) is set to retire on July 1, 2020 and we will be getting a new pastor. Maybe(?) our potential pastor-to-be is a reader of this blog(?). If so, besides a continuing interest on my part (and on the part of other parishioners) in the EF Mass, maybe this potential new pastor will (hopefully, if it be God's Will) be sympathetic to implementing the spirituality and liturgical ethos that my points at 2:19 p.m. (and the EF Mass) represent.
I have heard priests that can say more in 5 to 6 minutes than others can choke out in 15, one of the marks of good speaking is knowing when to stop, Priest of my youth,(an real crank) announced that all sermons would last at least 20 minutes, trouble was he ran out of material at 5 to 6 and just repeated himself over and over, we all kind of woke up when we heard ” in conclusion”. Listened to a young priest at a latin low mass preach on “thou shall keep holy the lords day”, had everyone squirming in no more than 4 or 5 minutes, he really made his point. iow, keep it to the point and short
An anonymous comment at 1:14 on 16 Jan. requires some comment.
1. The processional entry should not be accompanied by a hymn, but by the Proper Introit. It can be lengthened or shortened as appropriate by adding psalm verses. Anglicans tend to sing all verses of a hymn, but that's their tradition not ours. Hymn singing at Mass is bad enough, but holding up the action so that all verses can be sung is doubly reprehensible.
2. Mass is not a restaurant where one waits to be seated. Those arriving late may have a good reason for it, in which case it is up to them to find a seat. Officious sidesmen or vergers are an unnecessary abomination.
John:
About latecomers--this is really a problem for the laity to solve and it would be so simple if people were more aware and a bit less selfish.
First, have the courtesy to wait until the congregation is standing before forcing your way into the pew.
Second, if you are already seated (or standing) and someone comes to your pew late, WHY CAN'T YOU JUST SCOOT OVER? Some congregants cling to the aisle seat in their pew as if they were holding onto a ticket for the Second Coming. Since I don't own the pew, I certainly am not entitled to have the aisle seat. If you come in late to my pew, I will ust slide a bit closer to the center. WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT THAT?
John Nolan @ January 17, 2020 at 9:42 AM:
Assuming we're talking about Ordinary Form, the Missal used in the United States says this about the Entrance Chant [what you refer to as the Introit is of course the antiphon]: "48. This chant is sung alternately by the choir and the people or similarly by a cantor and the people,or entirely by the people, or by the choir alone. In the Dioceses of the United States of America there are four options for the Entrance Chant: (1) the antiphon from the Missal or the antiphon with its Psalm from the Graduale Romanum as set to music there or in another setting; (2) the antiphon and Psalm of the Graduale Simplex for the liturgical time; (3) a chant from another collection of Psalms and antiphons, approved by the Conference of Bishops or the Diocesan Bishop, including Psalms arranged in responsorial or metrical forms; (4) another liturgical chant that is suited to the sacred action, the day, or the time of year, similarly approved by the Conference of Bishops or the Diocesan Bishop.
If there is no singing at the Entrance, the antiphon given in the Missal is recited either by the faithful, or by some of them, or by a reader; otherwise, it is recited by the Priest himself, who may even adapt it as an introductory explanation (cf. no. 31)."
Actually, what is referred to in English as the Introit is the 'antiphona ad introitum' with its verse or verses and doxology. According to the 1974 Graduale the antiphon may be sung on its own if the entrance procession is very brief.
The antiphon in the Missal (and the Communion antiphon) are only used if they are not sung. This applies especially to the Communion antiphon, which may not have a chant setting in the Graduale if it is a recent interpolation and was never sung.
What is clear is that there is no provision for a 'gathering hymn' whether you sing all the verses or just some of them.
Well, John, old anonymous at 114 doesn't think it is too much to ask that if there are 3 verses in a hymn, maybe we could sing all three. And hymn singing is bad? Huh?
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