Are the progressives at the Synod drunk on this 1960’s vintage altar wine?
Progressive religious orders and dioceses are dying. But that does not disturb the ancients at the synod from ramming down the throats of the people of God a failed model of the spirit of Vatican II that has corrupted so much! Progressives want a non Catholic ministerial order and a church freed from the rigidity of faith and morals. They simply want an NGO with kumbaya!
They have become such a caricature in their ongoing mantras!
Yet one synod member, a lowly priests, hits the nail on the head:
The Rev. Martín Lasarte, an Uruguayan priest who is one of the 21 non-bishops among the synod’s 184 voting members, has said ordaining married men is an “illusory, almost magical proposal that does not touch the true fundamental problem” of the church in the Amazon.
Progressive religious orders and dioceses are dying. But that does not disturb the ancients at the synod from ramming down the throats of the people of God a failed model of the spirit of Vatican II that has corrupted so much! Progressives want a non Catholic ministerial order and a church freed from the rigidity of faith and morals. They simply want an NGO with kumbaya!
They have become such a caricature in their ongoing mantras!
Yet one synod member, a lowly priests, hits the nail on the head:
The Rev. Martín Lasarte, an Uruguayan priest who is one of the 21 non-bishops among the synod’s 184 voting members, has said ordaining married men is an “illusory, almost magical proposal that does not touch the true fundamental problem” of the church in the Amazon.
Father Lasarte said the Amazon region has the potential to produce abundant vocations to the celibate priesthood but suffers from decades of inadequate evangelization. Catholic missionaries there have provided charity and fought for social justice but often neglected to teach the Catholic faith out of an exaggerated fear of showing disrespect for local cultures, he said.
Why can’t the Holy Spirit of common sense be heard by the pope and his cronies?
Why can’t the Holy Spirit of common sense be heard by the pope and his cronies?
13 comments:
Three cheers for Father Lasarte!! I truly believe, and yes, this is a conspiracy theory so I will admit it up front, that this whole synod is manufactured to enable the Germans to get their way. They are coming at it from 5000 miles away by using the "poor Amazon people" as tool to advance their desires for a married priesthood with female deacons. I see through this triple canopy jungle.....
But the Amazon has lots of vocations: witchdoctor, shaman, chieftain... the synod is just going to write the permission to turn these already important vocations, into Catholic priests. See? Makes perfect sense. The vocations are already there.
I fear for Father Lasarte because PF may inflict some of his "mercy" on him for not following the party line
Tom, I believe that you are probably right. This whole synod seems to be in the control of radical Germans. There are a few Germans who oppose it.
For the roman church to now as a whole allow married men to be ordained to the priesthood...Given it's been ages since it's been allowed on the whole is outright stupid. (I say this as an Orthodox Christian). Not only would there not be a culture to support it (as there is in Orthodoxy/Eastern Catholicism), the priests would be treated as 2nd class. (As if often already done in present circles that I've witnessed with my own eyes)....Although allowing married men to be ordained is not dogma in the West, for all intents and purposes it nearly is in the everyday circle of things and to fix that would take generations upon generations to get that out of peoples' minds.
There is so much to do for Rome before even looking at this issue....
Православный физик: I think you're right about the "2nd class" in that many priests (and a few bishops) don't like permanent deacons and I wonder if a big part of it is because almost all are married. On the other hand, most of the priests in the Anglican Ordinariates are married but I've read nothing on how well they are or are not treated by the "regular" clergy but I suspect they are looked upon like Eastern Orthodox/Eastern Catholic clergy which you say is "2nd class". I may be, and hope that I am, wrong.
may I suggest this thoughtful piece on "married Priests" by a now dormant blogger
https://modernmedievalism.blogspot.com/2017/03/married-simplex-priests.html
skip past the meme to get to the gist of it, he references the Venerable Solanus Casey, OFM Cap (1870-1957). A celibate simplex priest.
from his blog
"With simplex priests helping out much the same way auxiliary bishops assist the diocesan bishop, the celibate, beneficed ("full time") pastors and curates would then have a lot more free time to hear confessions, make visits to parishioners' homes, get to know more of their flock one-on-one, and perhaps most importantly, devote themselves more fully to the Divine Office and regular prayer. Everyone wins"
We need to have this discussion, calmly and openly. I look forward to anyone's thoughts
Two Oxford priests who celebrate the EF, and whose Masses I sing at, are former Anglican priests who are married, with children/grandchildren. One is an Ordinariate priest who has the most erudite blog on the internet (and as he is a classicist, your Latin will be tested); the other is a parish priest whose scholarship is renowned on both sides of the Atlantic and who translated Ratzinger's 'Spirit of the Liturgy' into English.
Neither want to be bishops, but that doesn't make them 'second class'. They are quite the opposite.
John Nolan,
The married priests you mentioned are probably intellectually superior to the current crop of bishops in the US, most of whom could not celebrate Mass in Latin to save their souls.
If you would not mind, please let me know the name of the blog you are referencing. I would love to read it.
TJM: http://liturgicalnotes.blogspot.com/
John,
Many thanks
John Nolan,
Wasn't Father Hunwicke the priest who took intellectual lightweight Cupich of Chicago to the woodshed?
If you have to change a 1000 year old church discipline of celibacy and allow married priests in order to increase vocations. The problem is not one of lack of vocations. It is something else and it appears nobody can see it or wants to.
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