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Tuesday, October 15, 2019

SEVERAL CARDINALS ATTENDED THIS TALK

Copied from Fr. Z's blog:

God has chosen all of us to live in a time of crisis in the Church unlike any other in history.  What an honor!
Do not be downcast or anxious.  Think of the graces he will offer us if we live our vocations well and remain faithful, hopeful and charitable.   The harder the times, the more abundant the grace, the greater the glory.  And we are for greater glory.
That said, it is an honor to live in these days principally because it’s a time of war.   We are being called to serve in our militant roles more than ever.  Some will be in the front lines and some will be in supporting roles.  All must be ready to go either to the front or behind the lines, depending on the circumstances of their vocations and God’s will.  Even those who are in supporting roles have to bear arms and train, and I implore you to ready yourselves in study, thoughtful reflection and prayer.
Christ always wins in the end.
Last night, Bp. Schneider’s new book was presented formally to an audience of prestigious participants, including several Cardinals.  This was an important event.
Here is the video of Bp. Schneider’s talk.  It is from The Remnant and Michael Matt has an introduction.  Many organizations were involved to make this happen.  I’ve started, however, at the beginning of the bishop’s talk.  You can rewind and watch the rest. At about 3:30 there is a shot which shows the audience, with Cardinals Burke, Müller, and Arinze.
Christus Vincit: Christ’s Triumph Over the Darkness of the Age
US HERE 

10 comments:

John Nolan said...

Just over nine years ago I was part of a schola which sang at Downside Abbey for the LMS training course for priests who wanted to learn to celebrate in the authentic Roman Rite. The principal Sunday Mass was a Pontifical Mass celebrated by Bishop Schneider.

He had been flown from Kazakhstan via Moscow with the inevitable delays, and so only arrived late in the morning. There were a few jokes about 'Bishop Borat' since at that time he was not well-known.

At lunch afterwards he impressed everyone with his modesty and obvious sanctity. He had just written 'Dominus Est', a trenchant critique of CITH which he had presented to Pope Benedict XVI.

The next pope but one? Sadly not. Two things will dominate future conclaves - geopolitics which means that the next pope will be from Africa or Asia; and ecclesiastical politics which will rule out Sarah or Ranjith.

Brace yourself for Turkson or Tagle. And you think that Bergoglio is bad enough? Think again.

Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said...

The Novus Ordo is as "authentic" an expression of the Roman Rite as the mass celebrated in the Extraordinary Form.

Pope Benedict XVI: "These two expressions (the Roman Missal of Paul VI and the Roman Missal of Pius V/John XXIII) of the Church’s lex orandi will in no way lead to a division in the Church’s lex credendi (rule of faith); for they are two usages of the one Roman rite." (Summorum Pontificum, Art 1)

Suggesting that the vast majority of Catholics who attend Novus Ordo masses are somehow participating in inauthentic worship is a false assertion.





johnnyc said...

Considering how bad a shape the Catholic Church is in 50 years on from Vatican II maybe the Novus Ordo and Vatican II in general should be at least re-examined.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Pope Benedict's initiatives with the Liturgy and reading Vatican II's documents in continuity with what preceded Vatican II will be recovered after this papacy or sometime in the future. I am convinced there will be a resurgence of Pope Benedict's direction once he and Pope Francis die.

Vatican II was a pastoral council and made no new dogmatic statements on the liturgy, ecclesiology, ecumenism, interfaith relations, dialogue with unbelievers and with the secular world. They put for new theologies, but did not codify these theologies as doctrine or dogma. Thus Catholics can disagree or ask for more development in continuity with what preceded these developments.

Pope Benedict's hermeneutic of renewal in continuity is the key and it is commonsense and will prevail by the grace of God.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

FrMJK, the problems with the Ordinary Form have little to do with validity. It is valid if nothing invalidates it just as with the Extraordinary Form.

The problem with the OF Mass and to a smaller extent with the EF Mass is the manner in which it is celebrated. Both have to do with the lack of reverence. In the EF Mass it would be the speed by which the celebrant recites the Latin making possible a 15 minute Mass. But even here, the manner in which Holy Communion is received upholds the dignity of the Sacrament both internally and externally.

The Ordinary Form's celebration is all over the place. It's limited rubrics are ignored in many cases and priest like to ad lib thinking their way is better than what is written.

But the bottom line has to do with the perception of where the celebrant's prayer is directed when he faces the congregation to pray. But that is minor compared to the inelegance of the manner in which Holy Communion is distributed and received. Indeed the visual aspects in most parishes do not lend to an increase but a decrease in reverence.

Recently I was next to our bishop distributing Holy Communion. A communicant proceeded to grab the Host with his thumb and forefinger. I avoided his hand and placed the Host in his mouth. There are many more egregious ways people attempt to receive today and just this last Sunday before the EF Mass, a person brought up two consecrated Hosts he had found on the floor near a pew from the 11:30 AM OF Mass. That is very common today.

David Burkovich said...

Fr. McDonald, several years ago an usher at midnight Christmas Mass gave me (I was also an usher) a discarded host he had found on the floor under one of the pews. I told him to give it to me and I consumed it. After reading your previous comment about a person bringing the discarded hosts back to you, I now question whether it was proper for me to consume the host or should I have brought it instead to the priest's attention for proper disposal.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

David, you did the right thing. When I was at St. Joseph, I invited parishioners to do that and even take the Host from someone walking off with it and consume the Host.

Fr. Michael J. Kavanaugh said...

Allan, I wasn't talking - at all - about validity. I was responding to John Nolan's comment about authenticity.

The Novus Ordo is, plainly, as authentic a celebration of the Roman Rite as the EF or any other form of celebration in this Rite.

Regarding who addressed in prayer at mass, I doubt that anyone in the pews who hears the first line of this coming weekend's Collect, "Almighty ever-living God, grant that we may always conform our will to yours and serve your majesty in sincerity of heart" doesn't understand to whom the prayer is addressed. When you add to that the Prayer over the Offerings, "Grant us, Lord, we pray,..." and the Prayer after Communion, "Grant, O Lord, we pray,..." there is, it seems to me, no doubt about the Person being addressed.

Were I to ask any member of a congregation, "Do you think I am offering these prayers to you?" they would, I suggest, look at me as if I had lost my mind.

There are a few people in my current parish who take the host when offered. They do this because they suffer from severe arthritis and/or Parkinson's disease. Receiving in the palm would be difficult for them or might well result in the host being dropped. 99% of those coming to communion receive in the hand reverently and appropriately.

I have instructed our EM's and usher to let me know immediately if they see someone walking away from communion without consuming the host. I notice once in a while - good peripheral vision - and approach the person at once to tell them they must consume the host or give it back to me. This happens rarely.

I don't know what benefits might come from adding more rubrics. I, too, cringe from time to time when I see the way some priests celebrate, but that doesn't mean the form is wrong or needs changing.

johnnyc said...

I think younger age priests sense that something is amiss. Of course, looking at what is going on at the Amazon Synod anyone can see that.

But the future looks Traditionally bright.....

https://fssp.com/annual-census-shows-prolific-growth-at-fssp-parishes/

“The main obstacle right now is a lack of space,” said Fr. Federico Masutti, assistant pastor of St. Vitus, talking to the Missive over the summer. His words echo the sentiment of so many other FSSP apostolates that find themselves outgrowing their buildings, but it’s really a great problem to have.

“When we were at 200 people,” said pastor Fr. James Fryar, “we decided to add the fourth Mass, and just adding that one Mass, from one week to the next, another 200 people came.”

“The growth was amazing,” confirmed Fr. Masutti.

John Nolan said...

I would maintain that the Novus Ordo is authentic according to its own paradigms and that it is a Roman rite in that it is sanctioned by Rome and celebrated there and elsewhere. However, it is distinct from the authentic Roman Rite (note the capitalization) to the extent that it cannot really be seen as a Use of that Rite, for example the Dominican and other Uses, of which there were many, and none of which has been, nor can be abrogated. They can fall into disuse like the Use of Sarum.

Benedict in SP refers to 'duo usus unici ritus romani' but 'usus' is usually translated as 'usages' and elsewhere as 'expressions' or 'forms'. This is something of a legal fiction, and most reputable liturgists agree that the Novus Ordo constitutes a separate rite. It can, of course, be celebrated in such a way as to appear in continuity with the classic Roman Rite (which in any case is not a standardized product since it has always admitted of variations and has evolved gradually over time). In most cases, however, it is presented in such a way as to emphasize the differences.

All the Dominican priests I know can and do celebrate in the Dominican and Roman Uses, as well as the Novus Ordo. Ordinariate priests (many of whom celebrated the Tridentine Mass as Anglicans) are equally adaptable. The vast majority of secular clergy can only do the Novus Ordo, and then only in a vernacular language.