South American banana republicanism has come to the highest levels of Church leadership.
Read the Crux article. It's enough to make Archbishop Lefebreve blush!
I am afraid schism is coming and is already here but the far right fomenting it in reaction to what Pope Francis is doing will become the new version of what Eastern Orthodoxy did at the Great Schism except this new orthodoxy schism will be much smaller than even the SSPX. And why not simply join them???????
Read the Crux article. It's enough to make Archbishop Lefebreve blush!
I am afraid schism is coming and is already here but the far right fomenting it in reaction to what Pope Francis is doing will become the new version of what Eastern Orthodoxy did at the Great Schism except this new orthodoxy schism will be much smaller than even the SSPX. And why not simply join them???????
Critics accuse Amazon synod of ‘poly-demonism’
- Elise Harris Oct 4, 2019
Pope
Francis leaves St. Peter's Basilica after celebrating a ceremony in
which he ordained four new bishops, at the Vatican, Friday, Oct. 4,
2019. (Credit: AP Photo/Alessandra Tarantino.)
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"what Eastern Orthodoxy did at the great schism..."
Uh...they would argue just the opposite...what the pope did at the great schism. As today they insist that it is Rome which separated from the undivided Church, and as evidence the Eastern Orthodox cite the countless number of denominations and sects that emerged in the West from the Reformation on. At Atlanta's Greek festival last weekend, there was a diagram in the program showing the continuity of the one church (Orthodoxy), then a branch veers off for Rome (West), then numerous other branches from Rome in the Reformation.
We Orthodox might say "pot calling kettle black" especially with the fundamental changes In the Faith that have happened in the West...
Now if only there were a way to get rid of a bad bishop ;)
Yes, to whomever precedes this, how does a diocese in Eastern Orthodoxy rid itself of a "bad bishop?" Is it a synod of bishops? Certainly there is no "central authority" to do so.
Before the Orthodox get too cocksure, they should recall that at the time of the iconoclastic heresy it was Rome, not Constantinople, which maintained orthodoxy.
The problem of caesaro-papalism (which underlay iconoclasm) is still inherent in the Orthodox churches. Perhaps this is why they have never attained anything approaching universality.
I would argue that the fundamentals of the Faith have not changed in the West. Yes, the ill-thought-out liturgical changes are a scandal and a standing disgrace, but they can be put right, hopefully before the end of the third millennium.
That picture of PF is comedy gold! Where is the joy of the "new springtime?" His expression really seems to signal: Hey man, I really messed up!
Anon at 9:54 Yep, a synod can (and more importantly has) gotten rid of bad bishops. There are bishops who were corrupt and there were removed.
And just so we're clear, I do not proclaim that things are perfect within Orthodoxy, and there aren't problems. (Any time humans are involved in the Church, it tends to make things a bit complicated)
John Nolan, I often agree with you with your comments, but in all sincerity, I think it would be pretty hard to argue that the present church of Rome would be in communion with itself from ages ago just based on a Liturgical standpoint...let alone everything else. (I'm certainly not sedevacantist, or even close to advocating such a position). To be fair relative to what I've seen the Masses in England have been far, far, far more reserve than the ridiculousness I've seen in America. (I've actually seen tons of churches with the Benedictine Arrangement). I don't think it's a matter of arrogance or trying to think they are better (I most certainly know I'm not), rather, it's those very changes in praxis that have influenced everything and nearly make the church of Rome unrecognizable from itself. I pray God that that at least the Liturgy can be straightened out. Things are quite a mess to say the least, and let us pray that things do get organized, so that East and West can formally be reunited truly. There is universality in the East, but that is upon the Faith itself. The approach in the East isn't so much top down, as bottom up. Not necessarily because there can't be a top figure (the Pope of Rome would be first amongst equals in the pentarchy)...but precisely because as in our Liturgy we pray One is Holy, One is Lord, Jesus Christ, to the Glory of God the Father. (Put another way God is Holy in His essence, us, not so much)...I suppose it might be easier to talk about over a pint, rather than via a blog comment, this probably made more sense in my head rather than on paper :p
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