Update! Update! Update!!!!!
Here is the outside of the Jupiter, I mean, the new church to be built on the left coast. It is soooo futuristic:
It’s happening in Visalia, California. According to project officials, St. Charles Borromeo Church will seat over 3,000 when it opens in spring 2021.
There is an attempt at being artistic and with some nice art but overall it is blah especially the platform configuration. And it has the look of the 1960’s “Lost in Space” spaceship. Maybe this new design is a nod to the current papal magisterium’s nostalgia for the 1960’s?
Compare the altar below with the one above. Which one reinforces what the Church teaches about the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the Real Presence better?
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And btw, it's not clericalism at all for ordained specialists to go ahead and change that which generations of Catholics loved.
Oh easily the first, though the candlesticks look too tall---I would have shorter ones. I guess those are deacons on either side of the celebrant?
"Which one reinforces what the Church teaches about the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the Real Presence better?"
What teachings are you trying to reinforce?
As I look at the first photo and see other churches built during this embarrassing epoch, it's hard to suppress the emotions. First, I cringe with embarrassment for the sheer plainness of such a building. I also cringe and feel anger when I see older parish churches that are still artistically and aesthetically beautiful, built by congregations who were poor. I get angry when I think of the masonic/homosexualized cabal that convinced us in the 60's and 70's that we needed a "new architecture" because we are now in a "new Church".
But worst of all is the smug satisfaction I take with these thoughts. The wishy-washy leftists who forced this on us (or at very least cooperated with it) will all soon be dead.
They will be succeeded by priests who want to re-discover that which the revisionistas could not bury. They will restore the Catholic faith and eliminate the fog of moral relativism and liturgical sewage we have had to navigate for 50 years. And finally, I laugh with delight when I think about how the architectural work of these self-important fools who thought they had buried the past will be mocked and laughed at by future generations before they are torn down to be replaced by buildings that actually look like
Catholic churches. I probably need to confess that. But I take great delight in the eventual shaming of this ridiculous season that is drawing to a close. And make no mistake--those who did this deserve to be shamed. Deeply shamed.
Hedwig, venture and guess, and I presume with the priest in the lower photo is a deacon and subdeacon.
The photo is a rendering of it: It’s happening in California: A vision of John Thomas Steinbock took an important step toward reality Tuesday with groundbreaking for a new Catholic church in Visalia. According to project officials, St. Charles Borromeo Church will seat over 3,000 when it opens in spring 2021.
Reminds me in a way of conversation I had with a cleric in 30327 years ago---I stated that it is ironic that fundamentalists complain about the secularization of America---the bad trends we all know about---yet their sanctuaries resemble an auditorium. No altar, no candles, no vestments---and basically no liturgy. For them, even the second picture might look "too Catholic"!
“Maybe this new design is a nod to the current papal magisterium’s nostalgia for the 1960’s?”
Or maybe it’s just west-coast Catholicism under their present bishops... we have a son in California, and he assures us that this is what goes on up and down the west coast.
OK - I guess what you want to reinforce that the Church teaches that ONLY a validly ordained priest can confect the Eucharist.
That being the case, your B&W photo does the trick nicely.
Now, if there are other aspects of the Church's teaching that you want to reinforce or highlight, my answer would be different.
What is---or was---a "subdeacon"? Not a term I have heard in recent years (I "came of age" long after Vatican 2).
A subdeacon was a Naval underwater craft chaplain - of course...
If I didn't know any better, I would have thought that the photo was taken at St. Ignatius Church in San Francisco. Then again, the Jesuits at USF would not abide anything this close to Tradition.
@ B. Richard: yes and he is known as Señor Sonar.
So, ad orientem for some?
That rendering shows that the priest will have his back to a substantial portion of the congregation.
Looks like several dozen will be completely behind him, and another several dozen slightly behind/beside.
The artist's rendering of the new church shows that the priest will at all times have his back to Jesus in the tabernacle, just as he will at all times be presenting himself to his audience so that all eyes will always be on him. Its the ultimate expression of clericalism, and I'm sure that not an unsubstantial amount of clerics in this world would rather people's attention be on Christ.
A subdeacon is a cleric in the first step of major orders consisting of subdeacon, deacon, and priest. The subdeacon is charged with chanting the Epistle at a sung Mass, as well as preparing the chalice and paten during the Offertory before the priests ascends the altar to begin the Mass of the Faithful.
Despite dating back to the earliest periods of Church history, the subdiaconate was purportedly abolished after the liturgical changes post-Vatican II. Traditional groups maintain the usage of the minor orders (acolyte, exorcist, lector, porter) and all major orders (subdeacon, deacon, priest).
I hope that helps, Anonymous.
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