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Thursday, August 6, 2020

WOW! ANOTHER GOOD DOCUMENT FROM THE VATICAN THAT WILL DRIVE THE NATIONAL CHISMATIC REPORTER (NCR) TYPES TO THE BRINK, ACTUAL CHISM!



From Vatican News:

CDF: Baptisms conferred with arbitrarily modified formulas are not valid

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith affirms that Baptisms administered with modified formulas are invalid, including: “We baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”.
By Vatican News
The Sacrament of Baptism administered with an arbitrarily modified formula is not valid, and those for whom “baptism” was celebrated in this way must be baptized “in forma absoluta” — that is unconditionally — by repeating the rite according to the liturgical norms stipulated by the Church.
That is what the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith affirms in response to two questions regarding the validity of Baptism conferred with the formula, “In the name of the father and of the mother, of the godfather and of the godmother, of the grandparents, of the family members, of the friends, in the name of the community we baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”. The responses from the CDF were confirmed by Pope Francis at the end of June and published on Thursday.

It is Christ who baptises

In an explanatory Doctrinal Note accompanying the responses, the CDF says that “the deliberate modification of the sacramental formula was introduced to emphasize the communitarian significance of Baptism, in order to express the participation of the family and of those present, and to avoid the idea of the concentration of a sacred power in the priest to the detriment of the parents and the community that the formula in the Rituale Romano might seem to imply”. On the contrary, the note says, quoting Vatican II’s Sacrosanctum Concilium, “when one baptizes it is really Christ himself who baptizes… the Lord has the principal role in the event being celebrated.”
The Doctrinal Note recognizes that “the parents, godparents and the entire community are called to play an active role, a true liturgical office” — but this, according to the conciliar text, requires that “each person, minister or layman, who has an office to perform, should do all of, but only, those parts which pertain to his office by the nature of the rite and the principles of liturgy” (Sacrosanctum Concilium, n. 28).

A wound inflicted on the ecclesial communion

“With debatable pastoral motives”, the note continues, “here resurfaces the ancient temptation to substitute for the formula handed down by Tradition with other texts judged more suitable”. However, “the recourse to pastoral motivation masks, even unconsciously, a subjective deviation and a manipulative will”, the note affirms. The Second Vatican Council, in continuity with the teaching of the Council of Trent, declared it did not have “the authority to subject the seven sacraments to the action of the Church,” and declared definitively that no one “even if he be a priest may add, remove, or change anything in the liturgy on his own authority”.
In fact, the Congregation asserts, “modifying on one’s own initiative the form of the celebration of a Sacrament does not constitute simply a liturgical abuse, like the transgression of a positive norm, but a vulnus [wound] inflicted upon the ecclesial communion and the identifiability of Christ’s action, and in the most grave cases rendering invalid the Sacrament itself, because the nature of the ministerial action requires the transmission with fidelity of that which has been received”.

The nature of ecclesial ministry

In the celebration of the Sacraments — the Doctrinal Note explains, — the assembly does not act “collegially”, but “ministerially”; and the minister, when pronouncing the sacramental formula, “does not speak as a functionary who carries out a role entrusted to him, but he enacts ministerially the sign-presence of Christ, who acts in His Body to give His grace”. The note continues, “In this light must be understood the tridentine injunction concerning the necessity of the minister to at least have the intention to do that which the Church does”. That intention, it goes on to say, cannot remain “only at the interior level”, with the risk of subjectivism, but must also be expressed in an “exterior action” carried out not in one's own name, “but in the person of Christ”.
The note concludes by saying that modifying “the sacramental formula implies a lack of an understanding of the very nature of the ecclesial ministry that is always at the service of God and His people and not the exercise of a power that goes so far as to manipulate what has been entrusted to the Church in an act that pertains to the Tradition.” Therefore, it says, “in every minister of Baptism, there must not only be a deeply rooted knowledge of the obligation to act in ecclesial communion, but also the same conviction that Saint Augustine attributes to the Precursor, which ‘was to be a certain peculiarity in Christ, such that, although many ministers, be they righteous or unrighteous, should baptize, the virtue of Baptism would be attributed to Him alone on whom the dove descended, and of Whom it was said: It is He Who baptizes with the Holy Spirit’” (Jn 1:33).

Earlier responses

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has previously answered questions about the validity of Baptisms confirmed with the formulas: “I baptize you in the name of the Creator, and of the Redeemer, and of the Sanctifier” and “I baptize you in the name of the Creator, and of the Liberator, and of the Sustainer”.
The answer then was the same as the answer given on Thursday: Such “baptisms” are not valid, and those who undergo a ceremony using those formulas must be unconditionally baptized.

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

I am genuinely shocked to read about this. Which is good in a way because it means I have not encountered it,but at the same time seriously? The librel idiots are now messing with baptism??

What the hell is wrong with these people??

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Cardinal Law in Boston during the late 90’s ordered a Jesuit priest to rebaptize every person he baptized using the formula...in the Name of the Creator, Redeemer and Sanctifier. Liberal sisters were most prone to use this materialistic way of referring to the Holy Trinity preferring what God does rather than Who God is.

Anonymous said...

I'm just dumbfounded. Thanks be to God I've never encountered this stuff.

John Nolan said...

I gather the same invalid formula was used in Australia and likewise condemned.

The Egyptian said...

Just curious, say a person was baptized with the "creator" etc, if they would die before being rebaptized, what is their disposition, are they considered christian, what about the repose of the soul, just curious.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

If there was ever an example of baptism of desire thwarted though by a schismatic priest who is also committing a sacrilege by intentionally not using the proper words for validity, that person would be just fine if not in a state of unrepentant mortal sin. However, let's say that person went to confession and the same priest used an invalid absolution with the same formula, certainly there is a sacrament of penance desire on the part of the poor penitent so abused by his priest.

Anonymous said...

Father, you have in times past talked about Baptism being done by a lay person (parent, relative or medical worker) in a crisis moment for an unbaptized child. I have witnessed such in NICU. And you have mentioned battlefield situations as I recall. What do you think about this now in view of your posting here.

TJM said...

John Nolan,

We actually had a priest at one of the local colleges who would use this formula at Mass. Very irritating. Of course he was in his 70s and wanted to be a hit with the lefty nuns who ran the college. Thank God he is no longer there

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

A@11:28, I wholeheartedly endorse laity baptizing the dying (in an emergency and no bishop, priest or deacon is available). I applaud nurses who have done so for any baby they have cared for who is dying, even if the parents did not know this was done and they were not Catholic.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Anyone can baptize in an emergency as long has they have the "mind" of the Church in doing so and no clergyman is available or to be found in time. This precludes grandparents who baptize their grandchildren who are perfectly healthy because their nincompoop children don't intend to baptize them. I think the baptism would still be valid but illicit and a priest would have to do a conditional baptism.

Fr Martin Fox said...

Here's what I said on Facebook about this:

An example of clerical narcissism -- or simply, "clericalism." A bishop, priest or deacon must approach the sacred mysteries with humility: and that is why we (clerics) must not rearrange or "improve" or "make relevant" the form of the sacraments and the liturgy. It's so arrogant, and yet so, so many of the faithful suffer through narcissists offering Mass, celebrating baptisms, hearing confessions, officiating at weddings, who think their clever idea will make it "better." Whoops! You just made it invalid. Have the humility to keep your head down, your personality to a minimum (they aren't there for YOU), and pray and do what Mother Church asks you to do. Maybe it could be improved; that's not your job, however.

Fr Martin Fox said...

Anonymous at 11:28 am:

If I may chime in...my observation over many years is that parents and nurses are generally, and blessedly, free of the nincompoopery of clergy and, alas, some religious, who perpetuate this sort of nonsense about the sacrament of baptism. They simply want to do the right thing, and generally are very humble about it. The funny thing is, it isn't hard to do it right.

George said...


God speaks and acts within His Holy Church through her sacraments, liturgies, and magisterial teachings. It is in conformance with the will of God that the form and matter are prescribed and are unalterable since the Sacraments are of Divine character and not be subject to human endeavor or whim.

In this way, the nature and effect of Sacramental administration are not to be corrupted by fanciful formulations and extemporaneous utterances, well meaning as they might be, since any good intentions of those invoking these modifications, being that they are outside what God desires, are themselves corrupted.

Anonymous said...

What if the "we" is a "royal" we?

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

We say nope! We being the CDF and lil o me.

johnnyc said...

The Egyptian said...
Just curious, say a person was baptized with the "creator" etc, if they would die before being rebaptized, what is their disposition, are they considered christian, what about the repose of the soul, just curious.

I would be more concerned for the soul of the liberal priest that is doing the invalid baptism.

Petwin said...

At the Amazon synod Bishop Erwin Kräutler stated he hadn’t baptised an indigenous person in over 30 years and had no intention of ever doing so.

Not a peep of rebuke, correction or even a comment from Francis or the CDF back then (you know, when parading around and bowing down to a Pachamama carving was all the rage).
So, a Bishop openly preaching no Baptism at all (and practising what he preaches) deserves no correction but using the wrong words is an absolute no no, even if the proper intent is there?

I’m not sure what these mixed signals intend to convey or accomplish; but consistency certainly doesn’t seem high on the list!

https://choosing-him.blogspot.com/2019/10/cardinal-muller-bishop-krautler-will-go.html?m=1

Anonymous said...

I have found FOUR different version of what Bishop Krautler is alleged to have said about Baptism.

I onder which is true. I wonder if any is true.