Sandro Magister is no flaming progressive. He is an Italian Vaticanista and worth reading. He is a traditionalist but not off the rails as some on either side of the orthodoxy spectrum seem to be.
Magister seems to think that Archbishop Vigano is losing it:
Benedict XVI promoted him to apostolic nuncio in the United States in 2011. The meek theologian pope certainly could not have imagined, nine years ago, that Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò - who returned to private life in 2016 but has been anything but hidden - would today be blaming him for having “deceived” the whole Church in that he would have it be believed that the Second Vatican Council was immune to heresies and moreover should be interpreted in perfect continuity with true perennial doctrine.
Because this is just the length to which Viganò has gone in recent days, capping off a relentless barrage of denunciations of Church heresies over the last few decades, with the root of it all being the Council, most recently in an exchange with Phil Lawler, editor of CatholicCulture.org.
Attention: not the Council interpreted badly, but the Council as such and en bloc. In his latest public statements, in fact, Viganò has rejected as too timid and vacuous even the claim of some to “correct” Vatican II here and there, in its texts which in his judgment are more blatantly heretical, such as the declaration “Dignitatis Humanae” on religious freedom. Because what must be done once and for all - he has demanded - is "to drop it 'in toto' and forget it.”
Naturally with the concomitant “expulsion from the sacred precinct” of all those Church authorities who, identified as guilty of the deception and “invited to amend,” have not changed their ways.
According to Viganò, what has distorted the Church ever since the Council is a sort of “universal religion whose first theoretician was Freemasonry.” And whose political arm is that “completely out-of-control world government” pursued by the “nameless and faceless” powers that are now bending to their own interests even the coronavirus pandemic.
Last May 8, cardinals Gerhard Müller and Joseph Zen Zekiun also carelessly affixed their signatures to an appeal by Viganò against this looming “New World Order.”
Just as to a subsequent open letter from Viganò to Donald Trump - whom he invoked as a warrior of light against the power of darkness that acts both in the “deep state” and in the “deep Church” - the president of the United States replied enthusiastically, with a tweet that went viral.
But getting back to the reckless indictment launched by Viganò against Benedict XVI for his “failed attempts to correct conciliar excesses by invoking the hermeneutic of continuity,” it is obligatory to give the accused the right to speak.
The hermeneutic of continuity - or more precisely: “the ‘hermeneutic of reform,’ of renewal in the continuity of the one subject-Church” - is in fact the keystone of the interpretation that Benedict XVI gave of Vatican Council II, in his memorable address to the Vatican curia on Christmas Eve of 2005, the first year of his pontificate
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It is a speech that is absolutely to be reread in its entirety:
> “Your Eminences, venerable brothers…”
But here in summation is how pope Joseph Ratzinger developed his exegesis of Vatican Council II.
READ THE REST THERE BY PRESSING HERE.
Magister seems to think that Archbishop Vigano is losing it:
Archbishop Viganò On the Brink of Schism. The Unheeded Lesson of Benedict XVI
Benedict XVI promoted him to apostolic nuncio in the United States in 2011. The meek theologian pope certainly could not have imagined, nine years ago, that Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò - who returned to private life in 2016 but has been anything but hidden - would today be blaming him for having “deceived” the whole Church in that he would have it be believed that the Second Vatican Council was immune to heresies and moreover should be interpreted in perfect continuity with true perennial doctrine.
Because this is just the length to which Viganò has gone in recent days, capping off a relentless barrage of denunciations of Church heresies over the last few decades, with the root of it all being the Council, most recently in an exchange with Phil Lawler, editor of CatholicCulture.org.
Attention: not the Council interpreted badly, but the Council as such and en bloc. In his latest public statements, in fact, Viganò has rejected as too timid and vacuous even the claim of some to “correct” Vatican II here and there, in its texts which in his judgment are more blatantly heretical, such as the declaration “Dignitatis Humanae” on religious freedom. Because what must be done once and for all - he has demanded - is "to drop it 'in toto' and forget it.”
Naturally with the concomitant “expulsion from the sacred precinct” of all those Church authorities who, identified as guilty of the deception and “invited to amend,” have not changed their ways.
According to Viganò, what has distorted the Church ever since the Council is a sort of “universal religion whose first theoretician was Freemasonry.” And whose political arm is that “completely out-of-control world government” pursued by the “nameless and faceless” powers that are now bending to their own interests even the coronavirus pandemic.
Last May 8, cardinals Gerhard Müller and Joseph Zen Zekiun also carelessly affixed their signatures to an appeal by Viganò against this looming “New World Order.”
Just as to a subsequent open letter from Viganò to Donald Trump - whom he invoked as a warrior of light against the power of darkness that acts both in the “deep state” and in the “deep Church” - the president of the United States replied enthusiastically, with a tweet that went viral.
But getting back to the reckless indictment launched by Viganò against Benedict XVI for his “failed attempts to correct conciliar excesses by invoking the hermeneutic of continuity,” it is obligatory to give the accused the right to speak.
The hermeneutic of continuity - or more precisely: “the ‘hermeneutic of reform,’ of renewal in the continuity of the one subject-Church” - is in fact the keystone of the interpretation that Benedict XVI gave of Vatican Council II, in his memorable address to the Vatican curia on Christmas Eve of 2005, the first year of his pontificate
.
It is a speech that is absolutely to be reread in its entirety:
> “Your Eminences, venerable brothers…”
But here in summation is how pope Joseph Ratzinger developed his exegesis of Vatican Council II.
READ THE REST THERE BY PRESSING HERE.
14 comments:
You need to make up your mind, dude. I don’t think you know if you’re a novus ordo true believer, or a traditionalist. Attacking the good Archbishop just makes you look hysterical. Jorge worships s wooden idol in God’s house but Archbishop Vigano is crazy...wow, I guess I’m just not as astute and clever as you. It is to laugh.
"Dude"
Well much of the hierarchy is “off the rails,” otherwise known as liberals. Unlike Vigano, they have actual power to continue to destroy the Catholic Faith and faithful priests. I’m much more concerned about them
You cannot be “orthodox” is you reject a valid council of the Church. FACT.
I wouldn't be so quick to call this prophetic bishop--a bishop so badly needed in these times--as "off the rails".
and how many prophets and saints were considered "off the rails" in their day, how many upbraided the church hierarchy, warned of disaster and now we hold them up?? IMHO, Vat2 has sown bitter fruit and not much else, so yeah it's a disaster, it's about time someone within the church had the testicular fortitude to do it. I'll take Vigano over the pachamama idol worshipers any day
What rogue saint or Catholic was rewarded for fomenting schism against the pope or an ecumenical council without having repented of that?
Father McDonald,
Many of us here think PF is fomenting schism by attacking faithful Catholics and spewing a lot of left-wing nonsense. Have you shut off the rectory’s and church’s air conditioning yet?
TJM, just a cursory look at the Baltimore Catechism and the CCC would tell you that schism in the Church occurs when one disassociates with the pope and an ecumenical council, not matter the merits of that particular pope of council. I worry that you are a coloring book, cafeteria Catholic TJM.
Father McDonald,
I am starting to worry that you are a coloring book, cafeteria Catholic.
Here is something to chew on:
There are still many wonderful priests, sisters, and bishops in the Catholic Church, sharing the real Gospel of Christ. They are frequently clobbered for doing so.
Father Daniel Maloney was run out of Boston last week by his archbishop for making eminently sensible comments about the George Floyd case and the wicked race violence that has sprouted from it.
Last week, we also learned from a whistleblower it is likely Red China is paying off the Vatican to keep quiet about its human rights abuses. This comes as no big surprise. Brave Chinese Christians, especially the underground Catholic Church there, have long been telling what's really going on there, to little interest in the MSM.
Sounds like PF may have sold out the Chinese Christians.
I don’t trust the media, partial truths oe those who don’t have Direct inside information. And if you have ever been in a situation where you have to fire someone, you know well that those who opposed that firing will praise the person no matter how divisive or inept or disobedient they actually are.
So I reiterate the truth about schism with typos corrected:
TJM, just a cursory look at the Baltimore Catechism and the CCC would tell you that schism in the Church occurs when one disassociates with the pope and an ecumenical council, no matter the merits or problems of that particular pope or council. I worry that you are a coloring book, cafeteria Catholic TJM.
Father McDonald,
I expected better from you. Your response to me was Kavanaughesque
Think St. Catherine of Siena.
Have you shut your air conditioning off to be in compliance with PF’s “environmental encyclical?”
What! St. Catherine was most respectful in her critique of the pope. She did not rally anyone to oppose him and she certainly did not denounce any ecumenical councils. She had no pathologies. She was canonized a Saint. Vigano is no St. Catherine and it is a ridiculous comparison. TJM I REPEAT:
TJM, just a cursory look at the Baltimore Catechism and the CCC would tell you that schism in the Church occurs when one disassociates with the pope and an ecumenical council, no matter the merits or problems of that particular pope or council. I worry that you are a coloring book, cafeteria Catholic TJM.
Saw this on twitter.....
When a priest spouts off heresy or endorses moral teachings contrary to Catholicism, bishops have no backbone.
But when a priest publicly contradicts the Leftist political narrative, the backbones miraculously grow back.
It is interesting the venom against those who correct Pope Francis but nary a peep said against liberal clergy who dissent from the teachings of Jesus. Perhaps they feel the Pope is inline with their liberal political ideology and place more importance on that then on the teachings of Jesus?
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