IT’S OFFICIAL! BUT WHO CARES ABOUT WASHINGTON WHEN ATLANTA IS MORE IMPORTANT! WHO WILL BE MY NEW METROPOLITAN? MY CLAIRVOYANCE TELLS ME IT WILL BE......
I have to give you credit for breaking the news a week early---no one around here in the state's "other" diocese (Archdiocese) would say anything about it the last few days. "Silence is golden" I guess as old line goes!
In DC they are mostly fake catholics who support abortion for babies coming out of the birth canal! So the numbers of Catholics there are really de minimis
"Atlanta has far more Catholics than Washington has."
Well...it depends on how you define "Washington". If you were to include the Diocese of Arlington just across the Potomac (which includes Northern Virginia, roughly from Fredericksburg and Culpeper northward), you probably have a comparable number of Catholics in both areas. Not to mention adjoining Baltimore. The Atlanta Archdiocese covers a large swath of area (though not as much geography as Savannah' does). As the nation's capital, well, there is some prestige in being the bishop there.
As for TJM's claim on "fake Catholics", well, has he done a count? I assume there are some where he lives too, wherever that is? Perhaps he means a lot of Catholics go into Washington for church because they think Arlington is too conservative (the diocese, not the county---Arlington is very liberal politically).
Regarding Bishop Barron...I have to feel sorry for you if he is assigned your diocese, Father. I wish to say that I find him rather heterodox on many doctrinal points, although he was considered an intellectual hero here in the Chicago Archdiocese under Cardinal George.
I gave his radio program, "The Word On Fire" a listen a few times, and I found it really banal, and stretching doctrinal points to the max to try to fit liberal progressive ideas into them. And his television series "Catholicism" was so bad I turned it off before the first episode was done.
I'm just saying all this because if is moving up the rungs of the clerical ladder, don't expect him to support orthodox teaching. He's a hack. But I'm guessing you already know that.
TJM says anonymous from 30327 is a "fake" Catholic. Hmm, based on what? My political voting history (never backing a Democratic presidential candidate in my life)? Going to church each week? Ok, maybe because I am not to the right of Attila the Hun.......and for that, I offer no apologies!!1
The head count in Atlanta may be much greater than in DC, but there is the matter of people's beliefs. I went through RCIA in Alpharetta, where the DRE told us that "the rosary isn't for everyone", and the CCC was never mentioned, much less referred to in classes. A deacon I know there unfriended a priest in south Atlanta who is a proponent of Black Lives Matter. A dear, holy priest, good friend, and my confessor of choice (who I lost to cancer a year ago) was told by the chancery that they were having trouble placing him for his next assignment because "all the pastors hate you."
Pastors hate? Sounds like mortal sin to me, but what do I know?
From the parishes I attended there, I have to say that Atlanta is doctrinally a mess. Abp. Gregory remains silent on most issues of real consequence, but declares the biggest problem we face is racism. Seriously?
Losing Abp. Gregory would be good for Atlanta if he were replaced by a man like Olmsted, Cordileone, or Sample. But that is unlikely in the extreme. And in the last decade, Atlanta has resembled nothing so much as a mill for bishops, which means they are spreading the heterodoxy.
Now we are in the Birmingham, AL area, and privileged to attend a very reverent Latin Mass.
You summed it up nicely, but I believe that Gregory would also be consumed with "clericalism" although his view of clericalism is probably different than ours.
What turned me off initially about Gregory is that he is careless with the liturgy. I have seen him say Mass with a glass chalice and wearing a chasuble that looked like a bathrobe.In contrast to Gregory, Bishop Perry of Chicago, another African-American prelate, celebrates Mass in Latin (both EF and OF) frequently and is very orthodox. Why not send him to DC or Atlanta? Probably because PF doesn't want to upset the loonies apple cart.
I am not overly familiar with the names (for potential successors) that Bill Meyer offers---what would they do differently? Women off the altar? A return to the back altars? I agree with him racism is not the biggest problem we face (what the greatest problem is, well I do not know, but in the Atlanta area, crime and illegitimacy could be the top ones. But I will end by not making any Alabama jokes.
What does Alabama have to do with the subject matter? There are pluses and minuses with regard to each state. It is mostly liberals who denigrate other states, but that tells me more about them and their shallowness rather than the states they are mocking, and probably means, I should be considering moving there.
If you read a bit about the 3 men Bill Meyer mentioned, you would know in a nano-second they are head and shoulders above Wilton in terms of their orthodoxy, speaking truth to the secular powers that be, and celebration of the Mass. In other words, they are the anti-Wilton who is, in my opinion, a toady to secular mores and appetites, and a disgrace, in terms of how he celebrates Mass.
TJM said: "What does Alabama have to do with the subject matter?"
Nothing, really, but I would note that in the diocese of Atlanta, there is one (1) parish which celebrates the TLM. And a former pastor of mine confirmed my impression that it is a quarantine zone.
In Alabama, on the other hand, our parish routinely offers Latin, as does a parish in Huntsville. There is a monastery in Cullman which celebrates only in Latin, and the cathedral in Birmingham offers Latin from time to time. Quite a contrast to Atlanta.
We are talking about the fruits of bishops in the past. Modernism in Atlanta is not new.
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I have to give you credit for breaking the news a week early---no one around here in the state's "other" diocese (Archdiocese) would say anything about it the last few days. "Silence is golden" I guess as old line goes!
Seems like a demotion because Atlanta has far more Catholics than Washington has.
Father McDonald,
In DC they are mostly fake catholics who support abortion for babies coming out of the birth canal! So the numbers of Catholics there are really de minimis
"Designer of U.S. Bishops' Abuse Procedures"
Depending upon how you read that, it could be taken in more than one way.
"Atlanta has far more Catholics than Washington has."
Well...it depends on how you define "Washington". If you were to include the Diocese of Arlington just across the Potomac (which includes Northern Virginia, roughly from Fredericksburg and Culpeper northward), you probably have a comparable number of Catholics in both areas. Not to mention adjoining Baltimore. The Atlanta Archdiocese covers a large swath of area (though not as much geography as Savannah' does). As the nation's capital, well, there is some prestige in being the bishop there.
As for TJM's claim on "fake Catholics", well, has he done a count? I assume there are some where he lives too, wherever that is? Perhaps he means a lot of Catholics go into Washington for church because they think Arlington is too conservative (the diocese, not the county---Arlington is very liberal politically).
Another status quo assignment from That 70's Pope.
Bee here:
Regarding Bishop Barron...I have to feel sorry for you if he is assigned your diocese, Father. I wish to say that I find him rather heterodox on many doctrinal points, although he was considered an intellectual hero here in the Chicago Archdiocese under Cardinal George.
I gave his radio program, "The Word On Fire" a listen a few times, and I found it really banal, and stretching doctrinal points to the max to try to fit liberal progressive ideas into them. And his television series "Catholicism" was so bad I turned it off before the first episode was done.
I'm just saying all this because if is moving up the rungs of the clerical ladder, don't expect him to support orthodox teaching. He's a hack. But I'm guessing you already know that.
God bless.
Bee
Anonymous,
Well when I begin to do my count, I will definitely include you, wherever you live!
Bee.
How do you really feel? LOL
I had the same reaction to him as you did. Kind of buffoonish too!
"I wish to say that I find him rather heterodox on many doctrinal points,..."
What points?
TJM says anonymous from 30327 is a "fake" Catholic. Hmm, based on what? My political voting history (never backing a Democratic presidential candidate in my life)? Going to church each week? Ok, maybe because I am not to the right of Attila the Hun.......and for that, I offer no apologies!!1
Anonymous,
You need to stop writing in the style of Anonymous K, it is confusing.
The head count in Atlanta may be much greater than in DC, but there is the matter of people's beliefs. I went through RCIA in Alpharetta, where the DRE told us that "the rosary isn't for everyone", and the CCC was never mentioned, much less referred to in classes. A deacon I know there unfriended a priest in south Atlanta who is a proponent of Black Lives Matter. A dear, holy priest, good friend, and my confessor of choice (who I lost to cancer a year ago) was told by the chancery that they were having trouble placing him for his next assignment because "all the pastors hate you."
Pastors hate? Sounds like mortal sin to me, but what do I know?
From the parishes I attended there, I have to say that Atlanta is doctrinally a mess. Abp. Gregory remains silent on most issues of real consequence, but declares the biggest problem we face is racism. Seriously?
Losing Abp. Gregory would be good for Atlanta if he were replaced by a man like Olmsted, Cordileone, or Sample. But that is unlikely in the extreme. And in the last decade, Atlanta has resembled nothing so much as a mill for bishops, which means they are spreading the heterodoxy.
Now we are in the Birmingham, AL area, and privileged to attend a very reverent Latin Mass.
Bill Meyer,
You summed it up nicely, but I believe that Gregory would also be consumed with "clericalism" although his view of clericalism is probably different than ours.
What turned me off initially about Gregory is that he is careless with the liturgy. I have seen him say Mass with a glass chalice and wearing a chasuble that looked like a bathrobe.In contrast to Gregory, Bishop Perry of Chicago, another African-American prelate, celebrates Mass in Latin (both EF and OF) frequently and is very orthodox. Why not send him to DC or Atlanta? Probably because PF doesn't want to upset the loonies apple cart.
TJM, Anonymous is sorry you are confused.........
I am not overly familiar with the names (for potential successors) that Bill Meyer offers---what would they do differently? Women off the altar? A return to the back altars? I agree with him racism is not the biggest problem we face (what the greatest problem is, well I do not know, but in the Atlanta area, crime and illegitimacy could be the top ones. But I will end by not making any Alabama jokes.
Henry I cannot print unsubstantiated libel especially in my diocese.
Anonymous,
What does Alabama have to do with the subject matter? There are pluses and minuses with regard to each state. It is mostly liberals who denigrate other states, but that tells me more about them and their shallowness rather than the states they are mocking, and probably means, I should be considering moving there.
If you read a bit about the 3 men Bill Meyer mentioned, you would know in a nano-second they are head and shoulders above Wilton in terms of their orthodoxy, speaking truth to the secular powers that be, and celebration of the Mass. In other words, they are the anti-Wilton who is, in my opinion, a toady to secular mores and appetites, and a disgrace, in terms of how he celebrates Mass.
Father McDonald,
Is this what Henry was getting at?
https://pjmedia.com/faith/report-pope-francis-planning-to-appoint-controversial-archbishop-wilton-gregory-as-archbishop-of
If so, PF may be setting us up for more heartache. It shows incredibly bad judgment on the part of Wilton, if these facts were substantiated.
TJM said: "What does Alabama have to do with the subject matter?"
Nothing, really, but I would note that in the diocese of Atlanta, there is one (1) parish which celebrates the TLM. And a former pastor of mine confirmed my impression that it is a quarantine zone.
In Alabama, on the other hand, our parish routinely offers Latin, as does a parish in Huntsville. There is a monastery in Cullman which celebrates only in Latin, and the cathedral in Birmingham offers Latin from time to time. Quite a contrast to Atlanta.
We are talking about the fruits of bishops in the past. Modernism in Atlanta is not new.
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