Monday, April 22, 2019

ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT ISLAMIST OR ANOTHER KIND OF TERRORISM IN YOUR PARISH?

Please pray for the Catholics targeted by Islamic terrorists in Sri Lanka and for the injured and dead. Flesh and blood  splattered statue of Risen Christ in Sri Lankan bombed Catholic Church:



With so many houses of worship of many religions being attacked by terrorists or deranged opportunists, do you worry when you go to Mass?

Does your church have armed security?

I have heard through the grapevine that in my parish with a great number of military members trained in handling arms that some carry weapons to Mass and are intentionally vigilant. Is this worrisome or good?


39 comments:

Victor said...

"in my parish with a great number of military members trained in handling arms that some carry weapons to Mass and are intentionally vigilant."

In Sri Lanka it would not have mattered. These suicide bombers wore small but powerful explosives hidden on them. Because of those kinds of explosives, international meddling is suspected. It is actually amazing that this has not happened much in the West, probably because of the great detective work in monitoring the chemicals used to make these explosives so far. But it is just a matter of time...

When one speaks of suicide bombers, this kind of crude terrorism, and with international help suspected, it all points to the radical side of Islam. It is hard to believe that one would commit such suicide without a deep faith in one's religion, by the way.

My prayers for the victims and the injured survivors, and all their families and friends. May God also render forth His justice with His mercy to the perpetrators.

Incidentally, the Archbishop of Colombo is Cardinal Ranjith, well known in traditionalist circles. In this time of distress to Catholics in Sri Lanka, he also needs prayers in performing his pastoral duties.

Anonymous said...

So, now that you have acknowledged in public that you are aware that, contrary to the legal prohibition against firearms (exceptions being municipal, state, or federal law enforcement officers, or authorized security personnel - military not included) on church property issued by your bishop (the property owner), there are individuals carrying firearms in your church, you are potentially liable for any harm that may result from one of the armed, "intentionally vigilant," individuals using his her weapon.

In your deposition when you and the diocese are sued for wrongful death, you might say something like, "Yes, I knew the property owner banned firearms. Yes, I knew, and stated publicly on my personal blog on April 22, 2019, that individuals attending my church were carrying firearms. No, I did not attempt to prevent them from carrying firearms in the church and, no, I did not report them to local police in an attempt to remove them from the property."

Is it worrisome?

Anonymous said...

Our governor is increasing police patrolling around houses of worship as a precaution.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

A@9:32, wrong again. If the diocese is liable it is because they do not want signs prohibiting weapons posted at the entrances of our buildings. I asked when Georgia passed a law recommending this for establishments who wanted to do so legally.

Thus someone who has a licensed to carry a concealed weapon would not know the preference of the bishop some 10 years after this law was passed.

I only heard it through the grapevine and have had no one directly tell me that they pack a rod. If a lawyer wants to grill me on rumor, more power to him.

TJM said...

Anonymous at 9:32 is obviously fine with citizens dying in furtherance of his ideology and political party the Dems. People have a right to defend themselves notwithstanding the rantings of left-wing loonies

Dan said...

Oooooo Anonymous, now that YOU are aware that their is someone in a parish somewhere that YOU think may be in a violation of some ordinance that you believe applies... YOU are now liable for some such adverse event occurring, I think.

What will you do? I think you had better get all the authorities involved that you can think of...

Anonymous said...

"If the diocese is liable it is because they do not want signs prohibiting weapons posted at the entrances of our buildings."

No, it does not have to be posted to be diocesan policy. (Is there a sign saying "No Sexual Abuse Of Minors Allowed On This Property"? Nope, but it is still the policy/law and, even without a sign it is in force.)

No, not having a sign does not exempt you from enforcing the policy of the property owner, a policy you have acknowledged being aware of. (There's no sign forbidding sexual abuse of minors, but that doesn't mean you are exempt from enforcing the policy/law.)

YOU have admitted know the the policy. YOU have admitted knowing that some are carrying firearms into your church which you know to be contrary to the stated policy of the property owner. (I heard gossip about sexual abuse of minors, but took no action since it was gossip.)

And you think a lawyer won't make hay out of this?

rcg said...

It is important that they are coordinated and aware of each other. They must be legally trained and have a plan.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Wrong again! There are rumors that I am aware of and of course the parish is a geographical location including most of Bryan County and every person there. There are rumors of thieves, child molesters and escaped convicts not to mention potential terrorists. Rumors based on no facts btw. So lawyers go at it with hearsay.

Anonymous said...

A-non 9:32, you are a piece of work! You consistently mis-read what Fr. actually writes, then play spin-doctor; to what end, who really knows but you. Fr. actually asked a very pertinent and timely question we ALL need to ponder. Am I worried? Yes, but it doesn’t control my thoughts or actions. I don’t “pack” for Church. If I die, I pray God will accept my soul to ultimately be with Him in eternity. As the song title says: “Jesus Take The Wheel”.
And a blessed Pashcal season to you!

Anonymous said...

Oops, spelling: “ Paschal”

Anonymous said...

You posted here that you have been told people with firearms attend your church.

It's not a rumor.

Gene said...

I carry everywhere I go, including church. A Bishop's prohibition does not have the force of law in Georgia and probably not in other states, either. I think Priests and pastors should be glad that some in their congregations are armed. Besides, carry properly concealed and no one will know the difference, anyway.

Anonymous said...

"I carry everywhere I go, including church. A Bishop's prohibition does not have the force of law in Georgia and probably not in other states, either."

Try "carrying" in a school or courtroom.

A property owner's prohibition does have the force of law. Breaking that law can result in a $100 fine.

"...what Fr. actually writes,..." is "I have heard through the grapevine that in my parish with a great number of military members trained in handling arms that some carry weapons to Mass and are intentionally vigilant."

So, he HAS knowledge that people in his church may be carrying firearms. He HAS knowledge that this is prohibited by the owner of the property. HAS he taken action to enforce the rights of the property owner? If not, he IS setting himself and his property owner up for massive liability in the event some innocent bystander is wounded or, God forbid, killed.

"You knew and you did nothing" is what the lawyers for the injured will argue. And they will be right.

Dan said...

I think this is the Anonymous that I previously said had some type of personal problem/jealousy concerning Fr. McDonald.

Seems that this is more evidence. So Anonymous, knowing what you know about these terrible issue that concerns you, what are you going to do?

Perhaps you can rent a metal detector and show up at the parish and screen everyone going in. That's my suggestion. Anything less might make you complicit.

TJM said...

Anonymous K,

Tell you what. If Gene is present when one of the members of the "religion of peace" attacks you, if it would make you feel better to be shot and killed, I bet Gene would be willing to stand down if you asked him nicely.

Anonymous said...

"So Anonymous, knowing what you know about these terrible issue that concerns you, what are you going to do?"

So, Dan, what I'm not going to do it overreact to the extremely unlikely possibility that terrorists will kill me with bombs or AK 47's. Know why? Because that is precisely what they want. Terrorists terrorize. When they've you thinking "Oh! What am I going to do about it!?!" then they have succeeded.

"[The risk of being killed by terrorism] compares annual risk of dying in a car accident of 1 in 19,000; drowning in a bathtub at 1 in 800,000; dying in a building fire at 1 in 99,000; or being struck by lightning at 1 in 5,500,000. In other words, in the last five years you were four times more likely to be struck by lightning than killed by a terrorist." (2010)

TJM said...

Anonymous K,

Your virtue signalling is hilarious. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

Bee here:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

You posted here that you have been told people with firearms attend your church.

It's not a rumor.

April 22, 2019 at 12:38 PM


Don't know if it's a rumor, but it is definitely hearsay...and hearsay evidence is inadmissible. Just sayin'.



God bless.
Bee

Anonymous said...

Bee here:

I have already spoken to Our Lord about this. I said, "Lord, I don't want to die in church by a suicide bomber, or by someone who comes in on a shooting spree, but if it is Your will that I should die this way, I accept it. Thy will be done. If possible, grant that I may be in the state of grace should it happen. Amen."

God bless.
Bee

Dan said...

Ahhhhhh, but you WILL over react every chance you get concerning anything in Fr. McDonald's blog. Priorities, priorities....

Anonymous said...

Dan, Correction and/or disagreement isn't overreaction, now is it?

Anonymous said...

"Hearsay is defined as an out-of-court statement, made in court, to prove the truth of the matter asserted."

"There are twenty-three exceptions in the federal rules that allow for out-of-court statements to be admitted as evidence even if the person made them is available to appear in court."

"Fr. McDonald, at any time did you hear anyone say or were you made aware that there may be people carrying firearms in your church" does not appear to be a question about hearsay, since it is not about proving the truth of the matter asserted. It would be a question as to Fr. McDonald's awareness that people were or may be armed in his church, against the express wishes of the property owner, his bishop.

( I remember talking to a judge once who said that the law regarding the admissibility of evidence of any kind was among the most important and the most convoluted and, at times, confusing matter a judge had to master.)

TJM said...

Bee,

Comedy Gold!!! Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

TJM said...

Anonymous K,

You do law about as well as liturgy. LOL

Gene said...

Anon @ 2:30 PM, Of course you do not carry in courtrooms, schools, and Federal buildings, you moron. Any CCW license holder knows this.

Gene said...

I sat by a woman at Mass last week who pointed two thirty-eights right at me. She may have had a gun, too.

Православный физик said...

Be aware, Be vigillant, I pray God I have the courage if so to be a martyr...I'm less worried about that kind of thing happening at my parish.

For us Orthodox, and Christians in the Holy Land, this week is Holy Week. It's interesting how the crowd goes from Praising the Son of David to Crucify HIm. One day we sing our Lord's praises, the next we crucify Him.

Lord have mercy.

Dan said...

"Dan, Correction and/or disagreement isn't overreaction, now is it?"

It is when you obsess over it as a kind of stalker of an individual's blog, now isn't it?

Dan said...

And of course A, now you'll likely begin scrutinizing the bulletins of Fr. McDonald's parish to see if there is a mention of concealed carry, am I right?

Neurosis much, A.?

Anonymous said...

In Sri Lanka today the victims were Christians.

In New Zealand last month the victims were Muslims.

In Pittsburgh last year the victims were Jewish.

If you pray, pray for an end to religious bigotry - and to the violence it inspires.

- Steve Simon

Anonymous said...

"It is when you obsess over it as a kind of stalker of an individual's blog, now isn't it?

No. And you need to check the definition of "obsession."



Lenny B. said...

"I sat by a woman at Mass last week who pointed two thirty-eights right at me."

And she told me that you pointed back at her with a Derringer.

TJM said...

Gene,

Comedy gold! You must be one fun guy!

Anonymous said...

A-non, the blog spin-doctor, must always have the first and the last last word in criticizing Fr.’s posts. He has his reasons, and they are very unhealthy to a serious believer of our Faith as handed down through centuries. Followers of this blog would do well to ignore him

Dan said...

Okay A, how about the word "COMPULSION?"

Anonymous said...

How about "Fun"?

FactsAreFun said...

With regard to a person lawfully processing a license to carry a concealed deadly weapon, in the state of Georgia; a “No Weapons” sign is not mentioned in any code of Georgia gun law(s). There are no legal penalties for entering private property or business that have posted these signs. They have no force of law unless they are posted in areas that are mentioned by the law as being restricted to the procession of a firearm. While the occupant can force the offender to leave the property or face charges of trespassing, no crime was committed by disregard of warning signs EXCEPT within areas of Federal jurisdiction and publicly restricted areas such as; schools, courthouses, etc.

Anonymous said...

Q: Can I carry to or at church?
A: No, unless the church has a policy of allowing carry in their individual church. HB60 modified church carry so if you are caught carrying a weapon in a church that does not allow carry, you will be ticketed and fined up to $100. You will also be subject to losing your GWL for up to 5 years. You may have a weapon in your car in the parking lot with a valid Georgia Weapons License which has been legal since SB308 was signed into law on June 4, 2010. - GeorgiaCarry.org