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New Survey Shows Disparity of Beliefs Between Latin Mass, Novus Ordo Catholics
- 2% of TLM-attending Catholics approved of contraception vs. 89% of NOM Catholics.
- 1% of TLM Catholics approved of abortion compared to 51% of NOM attendees.
- 99% of TLM Catholics said they attend Mass weekly vs. 22% of NOM.
- 2% of TLM goers approved of “gay marriage” as opposed to 67% of NOM.
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This does not surprise me at all. It reflects what I have seen in all the places I have attended Mass, from California to England.
It is called "unbelief."
I am shocked that even 1% of EF Mass types approved of Abortion. Need more education. OF types appear to be a lost cause.
Are NOM Catholic? No need to go further as to why there is a crisis in the Church. It started from Vatican II, the purveyor of the NO.
Memo found on certain desk in Vatican:
"Mention rigid neo-pelagian and suggest that there is something wrong with those who prefer traditional mass...."
This quote from SSPX:
"The Document on Human Fraternity for World Peace and Living Together signed by Pope Francis and the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar is nothing but a house built on sand. It is furthermore an impious gesture that scorns the First Commandment of God and attributes to the Divine Wisdom, incarnate in Jesus Christ who died for us on the Cross, the statement that “the pluralism and the diversity of religions” is “willed by God in His wisdom”
Such talk is opposed to the dogma that declares that the Catholic religion is the one true religion (cf.Syllabus of Errors, proposition 21). When something is a dogma, anything opposed to it is called heresy. God cannot contradict Himself."
What Victor said...
Hey Kavanuagh,
Where is YOUR ringing defense of the status quo?
MT what about your theories on the OF breeding faithful Catholics?
Regarding the Syllabus of Errors:
"The content of any one thesis of the Syllabus is to be determined according to the laws of scientific interpretation. First of all, one has to refer to the papal documents connected with each thesis. For, in accordance with the peculiar character of the Syllabus, the meaning of the thesis is determined by the meaning of the document it is drawn from. [Catholic Encyclopedia: From the article The Syllabus, (c. 1913)]
[T]he wording of many of the erroneous propositions, as they are drawn up in the Syllabus, gives an apparent breadth to the matter condemned which is not found in the Pope's own words in his Allocutions and Encyclicals. [Ven. John Henry Cardinal Newman: Letter to the Duke of Norfolk, (c. 1874)]
Note: ..."gives an apparent breadth to the matter condemned which is not found in the Pope's own words in his Allocutions and Encyclicals."
for the fake catholics who vote Dem, I decided to change the name of your party to the Infanticide Party:
https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/25/senate-born-alive-act-abortion/
And this is supposed to be news?
In 2007, I had a member of my own parish ask me with an incredulous tone, "So you think that people who get abortions shouldn't go to Communion unless they've gone to Confession first?" This person was convinced that I was an intolerant "fanatic" for holding such beliefs.
The person who asked me that was a parish council president. Diocese of Savannah. South Georgia. Novus Ordoland, where it's always 1972.
Draw your own conclusions.
Notice how MT has run away from my question?
Where was the top picture taken, the one with a bishop in a cope? That pciture sure more appealing than the bottom one!
With regard to polling on Latin Mass goers versus those going the "other" route, I would like to know the sample sizes? Numbers can be skewed if sample size is too small. Also useful would be geographic breakdown---probably would find a lot more liberal responses among Northeastern Catholics than southern ones. I go to an "ordinary form" one every week (with a little Latin included, such as for the Gloria), and I don't support abortion (appalled that Ben Sasse's bill to stop infanticide got rejected in the Senate yesterday---can't even find a half dozen Democrats to support it) or giving out contraceptives to teens (as regretfully some school districts do).
Both photos are taken from the web. So I don't know where the one with the bishop is from.
We have to keep in mind that most EF communities are intentional communities, people who want tradition and orthodoxy. Ordinary Form parishes are parishes and like a drag net with the good, bad and ugly.
So we may be mixing apples and oranges here.
I think you are correct Father. Our parish had no real boundaries as such and exists very close to other conventional parishes. But the self selection is just the start. Even when people transfer from NO parishes they become more studious and delve into Church history and teachings. So it is only the beginning for most who seek a perennial parish. I was becoming more and more offended by the music of my NO parish and was pushed over the edge by a Liturgy Working Group that wanted to restructure the last NO translation. I saw an add for a series of lectures on adoration and Lent at the FSSP parish. I attended the series and never went back. Latin was a part of my education so it came back easily, but really, it isn’t that difficult to grasp the words. I think it is a matter of motivation.
Catholic priests and bishops who vote for the Dems are slimeballs. They have no excuse for their apostasy.
The survey only confirms exactly what one sees at pretty much every parish, there's unity, but not in the way that one might think.
Robert Kumpel: WOW! Did anyone report that to the pastor and/or Bishop?
MT oh MT,
Please tell us again how the Novus Ordo has nourished and grown the Faith?
Your average parish Mass is not abusive (as the one in the lower picture most certainly is) but is wordy, dull, slapdash as far as the rubrics are concerned, and accompanied by music of toe-curling awfulness. Fine if you like this sort of thing (and many do), but there must be some who attend week in, week out, simply because they have no alternative.
John Nolan,
Are you surprised that MT has not responded to my question as to how the OF has nourished and grown the Faith? I had so hoped to be enlightened.
Anonymous:
The pastor was present when he said it, nodding in approval. The bishop (previous) apparently didn't care about such things. This man and the pastor were best friends.
If only we knew what many of our leaders were really like behind the scenes...
I am very disappointed that Mark Thomas does not have the guts to respond to this. He avoids anything that might burst his left-wing delusions
anonymous:
Left wing? More like clipped wings.
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