And did Judas inspire this Judas "Catholic" and his vision for the Church which has contributed to the greatest crisis in the Church since the early Church heresies?
There is great irony in the fact that Chick-Fil-A owned by a Southern Baptist Family has allowed the spirit of Vatican II Catholic chickens to come home to roost and show orthodox, practicing Catholics just what the spirit of Vatican II Catholics have done to our holy Church.
I copy below an article on an administrative assistant to Chicago's Mayor Rahm Emanuel, Ald. Proco “Joe” Moreno, who describes himself as a Catholic sometimes going to Church. This is what this "spirit" of Vatican II Catholic had to say about Cardinal Francis George and his teachings on marriage:
“It’s unfortunate that the cardinal, as often happens, picks parts of the Bible and not other parts,” said Moreno, who added that he was raised Catholic in western Illinois, attended a Catholic grade school and was an altar boy. Moreno said he now occasionally attends church.
“The Bible says many things,” Moreno said. “For the cardinal to say that Jesus believes in this, and therefore we all must believe in this, I think is just disingenuous and irresponsible. The God I believe in is one about equal rights, and to not give equal rights to those that want to marry, is in my opinion un-Christian.”
My comments: This politician is using the "talking points" of the Democrat party as it concerns same sex marriage, that no one has the right to interpret Scripture except those who are promoting same sex marriage! I've heard this mantra time and time again from the talking heads on the various networks when same sex marriage is the topic and religion is brought into it. It is heresy pure and simple and needs to be condemned from the highest sources of our Church!
Like the LWCR, Call to Action groups, Voice of the Faithful, all dissenting groups that oppose the Holy Roman Catholic Church, her pope and bishops in union with him, Moreno is a heretic.
Should not the pope and the bishops in union with him start issuing a "syllabus of errors," censures and excommunications? Moreno has clearly placed himself outside of what is acceptable in the Catholic Church, not just his opinions about civil marriage, but his diatribe against the Cardinal and the Cardinal's legitimate role in explaining and defending the faith.
Folks, the wrong interpretation of Vatican II, one of rupture with our glorious past, has led to Moreno type Catholics and they are now legion in the Church. They are sinking the Barque of Peter and it is way past time for the Magisterium to plug the holes these dissenting Catholics have drilled and throw the ones who drilled the holes overboard.
By Bridget Doyle, Chicago Tribune reporter
11:59 a.m. CDT, August 2, 2012
Chicago Cardinal Francis George has stepped in the ring on Chick-fil-A’s gay marriage controversy in a blog post, criticizing Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s statement that the fast food chain’s values “are not Chicago values.”
“Recent comments by those who administer our city seem to assume that the city government can decide for everyone what are the ‘values’ that must be held by citizens of Chicago,” George wrote on the Archdiocese of Chicago's blog Sunday. “I was born and raised here, and my understanding of being a Chicagoan never included submitting my value system to the government for approval. Must those whose personal values do not conform to those of the government of the day move from the city?”
George went on to write: “Approval of state-sponsored homosexual unions has very quickly become a litmus test for bigotry. … Surely there must be a way to properly respect people who are gay or lesbian without using civil law to undermine the nature of marriage.”
Last week, Ald. Proco “Joe” Moreno, 1st, announced he will block Chick-fil-A's effort to build its second Chicago store in Logan Square because the chain's top executive has made clear his opposition to gay marriage.
Archdiocese of Chicago spokeswoman Colleen Dolan said George stands by his blog post on what she called “religious freedom” and said this isn’t the first time the cardinal has sounded off on the issue of gay marriage.
“He’s given many talks and has a lot to say on the freedom of religion and the freedom to be Catholic,” Dolan said. “He doesn’t say things frivolously.”
Of the two and a half years the archdiocese has maintained a blog, Dolan said this post has gotten “by far the largest response we’ve seen – most of it overwhelmingly positive.”
An Emanuel spokeswoman on Wednesday declined to comment on George’s remarks.
Moreno, who touched off the debate last week, fired back at George.
“It’s unfortunate that the cardinal, as often happens, picks parts of the Bible and not other parts,” said Moreno, who added that he was raised Catholic in western Illinois, attended a Catholic grade school and was an altar boy. Moreno said he now occasionally attends church.
“The Bible says many things,” Moreno said. “For the cardinal to say that Jesus believes in this, and therefore we all must believe in this, I think is just disingenuous and irresponsible. The God I believe in is one about equal rights, and to not give equal rights to those that want to marry, is in my opinion un-Christian.”
Moreno also called the cardinal’s reference in the blog to a fictional Council Committee on Un-Chicagoan Activities “hyperbole and rhetoric.”
Moreno noted the church scandal surrounding pedophilia among priests, questioning George’s right to the “moral high ground on equal rights.”
Moreno, who has called gay marriage the civil rights issue of our time, also said the mayor and he are not trying to force their values on anyone, but rather to ensure equal rights.
Tribune reporters Hal Dardick and Kristen Mack contributed.
Copyright © 2012, Chicago Tribune
15 comments:
Idiot politicians trying to talk theology. Where in the Bible do you find any, I mean any, talk about "equal rights?" I love pointing this out to libs...the notion of equal rights, in any political or philosophical sense, is commpletely foreign to both OT and NY thinking. Equal rights is a modern myth, a Leftist political weapon with which to promote egalitarian social causes.
That image of the nuns with Chik-fil-a bags is like the antithesis of the nuns giving the peace sign at Woodstock.
It will be difficult for the Cardinal to respond charitably to Mr. Moreno who struts his ignorance so flagrantly. A response to his arguments would highlight his inadequacies.
(Francis Cardinal George, btw, not Cardinal Francis George as the illiterate Trib reported. Chicago Book of Style must be gathering dust)
Key words this guy uses: "My God..."
He has created a god in his own image. Interestingly, even though THE God (that is, our God) does not have the authority according to him to tell him what to do, his god has the authority to tell us what to do.
Typical liberal logic. But, how many in the pews on Sunday and any given Catholic Church think the same sort of thing...? It's sad to contemplate!
I can tell the nuns are not LCWR because a) they are in habits, and b) they appear joyful.
"Should not the pope and the bishops in union with him start issuing a "syllabus of errors," censures and excommunications?"
Pope Boniface VIII said silence infers consent. The clergy has been mostly silent these past fifty years and the flock has strayed. Blame and responsibility is shared.
The pope is taking action against the LCWR but what about the Jesuits and other orders who have succumb to New Age and other non-Catholic positions?
The USCCB is taking a stand against the HHS but where is similar action from the rest of the world's bishops? Why hasn't the Canadian bishops conference retracted their Winnipeg Statement in defiance of Humane Vitae?
Why is a homily on sin and salvation such a rarity? When was the last time contraception was mentioned from the pulpit?
Why do so many orthodox laity sit back and let the heterodox with their hidden agendas run the parish, schools, and organizations? Why do so many who actually know better allow heretics to undermine the Church?
What will we say to Jesus on our Judgement Day when He asks us why given our wisdom and knowledge we allowed so many of our brethren to fall into eternal damnation?
That should be "NT thinking," not NY thinking, God forbid. LOL!
The thing I can never understand is this: Priests (I have always supposed) see the undiluted ugly side of human nature in the confessional. It is a regular reminder to them (or it would be to me) of humanity's concupiscence and fallen nature, which scripture and two thousand years of lived experience constantly warn us to be vigilant against lest we lose our souls. Yet the whole VII culture--both the letter and the supposed "spirit" of the council--focuses on the hope and not the danger. It rests on the utterly absurd supposition (absurd, that is, for anyone who ignores such teaching and personal experience) that people, if simply left alone, will do the right thing. No need for excommunications or anathemas or badgering during homilies. No need for the discipline of Friday abstinence. No need for Jeremiads. Just leave them alone and they'll do the right thing. No need even to publicly correct public scandal and false teaching like Moreno's (or Pelosi's or Sebelius's or anyone elses'), since naturally good humanity will presumably not be harmed or misled by these errors since we can all see those errors for what they are.
This is simply naive. Any school teacher or policeman knows enough to tell you that. The disconnect is how bishops who had spent years hearing confessions (and many of whom had lived under Nazi and Communist regimes) fell into and expressed that naivete, and in so doing grievously wounded and scandalized the Church for our time (and perhaps for all time).
The bishops would have been well-advised to take as their text for Vatican II a famous quotation from Flannery O'Connor--a quotation whose spirit has guided Catholics for two thousand years as they dealt with their tendency to sin: “'She would of been a good woman,' said The Misfit, 'if it had been somebody there to shoot her every minute of her life.'”
Anathamas and Excommunications are nice.
Inquisitions and Crusades are better.
"I can tell the nuns are not LCWR because a) they are in habits, and b) they appear joyful."
Also, they look too young to qualify.
I could tell by the tell tale sign of the amount of Chick-Fil-A's purchased, that they have purchased it for a convent full of sisters which certainly rules out the LCWR! :)
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has advocated a new Syllabus of Errors. Don't expect him to remain in Kazakhstan forever; he is a patently holy man who has the ear of Benedict XVI. The next pope but one? I wouldn't be surprised, he's only just over 50. The next pope, in what I hope will be some time yet - Burke or Ranjith. By this time Moreno will be out of the Church and the LCWR will have gone to their reward.
Am I overoptimistic? Perhaps, but I survived the 1960s and 70s with my faith, if not my temper, intact.
Moreno noted the church scandal surrounding pedophilia among priests, questioning George’s right to the “moral high ground on equal rights.”
Please tell me I'm not the only one who got a good laugh at a Chicago politician lecturing the Cardinal Archbishop about have a "right to the moral high ground" on anything. If the pedophilia scandal removes the right to preach on morality, wouldn't the constant scandals of corruption that infects Chicago and State of Illinois politics remove their right to lecture on any issue of morality?
You, My friend, are a Christian that "Get's it." I was well into my 30's when I realized that living according to the "religion" of my grandfathers is not necessarily going to get you anywhere in today's society. It isn't necessarily about any formal "religion" as much as it is about reading and trying to live by the words and teachings of Jesus Christ and his Disciples in the Holy Bible.
Uh, Southernconservativemusician, you aren't Catholic are you...
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