RORATE CAELI HAS A GOOD AMOUNT OF ARCHBISHOP GEORG GANSWEIN INTERVIEW WHICH YOU CAN READ IN FULL HERE. BUT BELOW ARE IMPORTANT MONEY BYTES:
REPORTER: Cardinal Kurt Koch recently said in an interview that Pope Benedict had shown a helpful way forward by being convinced that something practiced for centuries could not simply be forbidden. Indeed, the restrictions on the classical liturgy clearly pained Pope Benedict.
Archbishop Georg GĂ€nswein:It was not only painful [for him], but he also saw, in his role as Pope, that something had to be done to change this state of affairs. He repeatedly stated that the so-called ‘old liturgy,’ that is, the Tridentine liturgy, was never abolished. This is absolutely not the case since, of course, the Tridentine liturgy became the Novus Ordo; that is to say, the language was retained, but the content was somewhat changed. And it is precisely this liturgy that, for centuries, has allowed the Church not only to live, but to live well; the Saints have nourished themselves on it and from it. It cannot be the case that it was legitimate and precious yesterday, but then no longer so from tomorrow. This is, therefore, an unnatural situation, and that was the driving force, along with the experience he gained after the Second Vatican Council—his experience that those who have lost their spiritual and liturgical homeland just need to be returned to this spiritual homeland. This is where his motu proprio and accompanying letter came
REPORTER: What is your assessment of Traditionis custodes and the new regulations for the classical rite?Archbishop Georg GĂ€nswein:I have never understood why Pope Francis introduced this restriction. At the time, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was tasked with conducting an investigation, or survey, of the bishops worldwide. What do you think about Benedict‘s motu proprio? Have the experiences been positive? Have the experiences been desirable? Did anything need to be changed? The results were never published, but of course, we know about them. The result, ultimately, was that a sense of peace had been achieved. It was a path to peace, especially in the liturgy, the most important place of religious life, and there should not be any changes. Why Pope Francis still did this anyway is and remains a mystery to me. Have we not seen, especially in the English-speaking world, the difficulties that arose from this? Even in the accompanying letter from Pope Francis, where he repeatedly referred to John Paul II and Benedict, it is impossible to discern what purpose his restrictions serve.So, I suspect that for most bishops, today [the classical rite] still remains in the way it had done until Traditionis custodes. But it is, of course, the case that the motu proprioof Francis has indeed been a great burden with regard to this important question of the extraordinary form.
REPORTER: What path do you yourself envision now for the future of the liturgical tradition?
Archbishop Georg GĂ€nswein:
I believe that Pope Benedict’s wise approach is the right way—and this has been the case for over ten years now—it is the right way, and this path should be continued without difficulty or restriction. And I can only hope that Pope Leo will also move in this direction and simply continue the process of reconciliation, that this cooperation may also bear fruit.

25 comments:
There are folks who share Archbishop Georg GĂ€nswein's opinions in question.
There are folks who reject Georg GĂ€nswein's opinions in question.
Examples:
Father Davide Pagliarani, Superior General of the SSPX, as well as Peter Kwasniewski, are among prominent "traditionalists" who have denounced Summorum Pontificum as a flawed, muddled document that had resulted in failure.
There is not any doubt that Summorum Pontificum had failed to accomplish that which Pope Benedict XVI had desired in regard the issue in question.
The bottom line is that His Holiness, Pope Leo XIV, has maintained Traditionis Custodes. I am taught, governed, and sanctified by Pope Leo XIV. Therefore, I am on board with Pope Leo XIV's decision in question.
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My prayer is that God's will be done in regard to liturgy. I am confident that in regard to liturgical issues, His Holiness will conform himself to God's will.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Glad to read that you gladly accept the reversals of Pope Francis by the reigning Pope, Leo XIV! And wow! You accept the SSPX opinions on this, that and the other and all they stated about Pope Francis and now about co- redemptrix and mediatrix! Wow! Just wow! đ€Ż
Father, I, without hesitation, grant unto Pope Leo XIV unconditional reverence and obedience. I do not have any quarrel in regard to his decisions as Pope.
I have viewed his Pontificate as a holy success.
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I agree with the SSPX's assessment that Summorum Pontificum had not achieved the results desired by Pope Benedict XVI.
As I had noted, "There is not any doubt that Summorum Pontificum had failed to accomplish that which Pope Benedict XVI had desired in regard the issue in question."
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I have always rejected the claim that Summorum Pontificum was a flawed, muddled document.
I do not blame Summorum Pontificum's failure in question upon the above.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
TC may have landed Francis a spot in Hell unless he begged forgiveness at the end. It was an act of pure evil, vindictive on steroids
"Father Davide Pagliarani, Superior General of the SSPX, as well as Peter Kwasniewski, are among prominent "traditionalists" who have denounced Summorum Pontificum as a flawed, muddled document that had resulted in failure."
MT, I'm so glad you're learning to trust the SSPX and vile, vicious radtrads like Peter Kwasnieski. Next you'll be telling us Cardinal Siri should've been pope in the 1960s!
"There is not any doubt that Summorum Pontificum had failed to accomplish that which Pope Benedict XVI had desired in regard the issue in question."
You're free to assert that, but it's laughably falsifiable.
"I am confident that in regard to liturgical issues, His Holiness will conform himself to God's will."
This confidence makes no sense in light of history and Catholic teaching on what graces and protections are accorded to the papacy.
Nick
"I do not have any quarrel in regard to his decisions as Pope."
Really, including where his decisions countermand that of his immediate successor? Weren't those holy, holy holy?
Oh, right--I forgot. Your comments express views on the papacy that amount to voluntarism on the level of the Mormon head prophet.
Nick
"I have viewed his Pontificate as a holy success."
Declaring glorious victory at the top of the second inning, when down 0-1.
"I have always rejected the claim that Summorum Pontificum was a flawed, muddled document."
Summorum Pontificum was without flaw, but so is Traditionis Custodes. Lol.
Nick
Father McDonald said..."You accept the SSPX opinions on this, that and the other and all they stated about Pope Francis and now about co- redemptrix and mediatrix! Wow! Just wow! đ€Ż"
I did not say anything akin to the above.
Father, most days, I am a dummy. But I am a dummy today.
Here is an old reference...
I am Johnny, or Pedro, and your are Señor Wences...speaking for me.
:-)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWXwqTIB5PM
Pax.
Mark Thomas
While I don't wish to speculate on the potential temperature of his soul's current location, I do hope this was a point of review along the way.
ByzRus, your comment has me curious whether Eastern Catholics accept the concept of Toll Houses... Interested in your thoughts if you have time despite its not being even remotely relevant to this blog post!
Marc, in brief, we don't accept the punitive concept of purgatory, we face a "particular judgement" after death, toll houses aren't dogmatic, they are a pious concept that, metaphorically, should focus and guide our life's choices.
That's interesting, Byz. Thanks for responding. I wonder if this is a point of significant divergence between Eastern Catholics and Orthodoxy... Do you guys accept the whole Beatific Vision thing from Roman Catholicism?
Marc. How so? If you lay our theologies side by side, they are largely aligned. Toll houses are a theological opinion, by the way. As we await the final judged, we, respectively, heal and grow.
By extension, Eastern Catholics are supposed to accept purgatory and the beatific vision, however, they are not part of our theology absent finding a way to dovetail them in to appease our masters, if you will. In other words, I, perhaps some portion of "we" privately adhere to Orthodoxy, but you didn't hear me say that.
I’ve never heard of “toll house” as it concerns judgement. Does the one getting judged get cookies while waiting?
Byz, I may have misunderstood what you meant by rejecting a punitive concept of purgatory. I thought you were saying that Eastern Catholics accept purgatory, while rejecting a punitive aspect. That would not align with an Orthodox understanding of the afterlife — similarly, the idea of a Beatific Vision after death would not align with Orthodox teaching.
As for Toll Houses specifically, I think the debate about this is a particularly American thing: Orthodox in the West have a tendency — as a result of our post-enlightenment skepticism — to see such things as mythologizing. We have a hard time with the idea that something symbolic is also real. Yet, many of our liturgical prayers are quite clear about the reality of Toll Houses, and we have the testimony (often in great detail) of the saints about their reality. But what that reality means is hard to grasp.
For sure, there are no cookies involved, but there are demons! God help us all.
Archbishop Georg GĂ€nswein:
"I have never understood why Pope Francis introduced this restriction."
Really? Pope Francis (requiescat in pace) had made it clear, and presented solid reasons, as to why he issued Traditionis Custodes.
Even if one rejects the above, is Archbishop GĂ€nswein unaware as to the insanity that had flowed from the TLM Movement in regard to the weaponization of the TLM, as well as Summorum Pontificum?
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Anyway...
One could note that mystification had formed in regard to Pope Benedict XVI's issuance of Summorum Pontificum.
Pope Benedict XVI acknowledged that "no little confusion," as well as "harsh opposition" had formed in regard to Summorum Pontificum.
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Archbishop GĂ€nswein:
"...the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was tasked with conducting an investigation, or survey, of the bishops worldwide. The results were never published, but of course, we know about them."
What do we know in regard to that survey?
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Speaking of that survey...
Even Pope-Francis hater, Louis Verrecchio, noted:
"Go back and scour Traditionis Custodes and the accompanying letter to bishops. Nowhere does Francis claim that “the world’s bishops demanded” the abrogation of Summorum Pontificum.
"What motivated Jorge to make the firm decision that he made? Conformity with the decrees of Vatican Council II.
"This is made even more clear elsewhere in the text, as we will discuss momentarily.
"Furthermore, as the overall assessment makes plain, there were requests from certain bishops to abrogate Summorum Pontificum and to crack down on the Traditional Latin Mass.
"Francis does not imply that a majority of bishops made that request, much less every bishop.
"No, it cannot be said that the questionnaire results served as the alleged “foundation” for Traditionis Custodes. So, what is?
"Bergoglio was very clear, his decision to suppress the Traditional Latin Mass rested squarely on Vatican Council II, which was mentioned no less than twenty times between Traditionis Custodes and the letter to bishops that accompanied it.
He writes:
"To doubt the Council is to doubt the intentions of those very Fathers who exercised their collegial power in a solemn manner cum Petro et sub Petro in an ecumenical council, and, in the final analysis, to doubt the Holy Spirit himself who guides the Church.
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"And what was the Council’s intention? Francis describes it, accurately”
The Bishops gathered in ecumenical council asked that it [the Traditional Roman Rite] be reformed.
"The bishops of Vatican II never intended for the Traditional Roman Rite as they knew it to continue untouched alongside a new rite.
"Rather, they envisioned one rite moving forward, namely, the traditional rite reformed.
"And guess what? It’s here. It’s called the Novus Ordo Missae, just as promulgated by another man that the resisters insist was pope."
"Francis made it perfectly clear: The Second Vatican Council is the real foundation for Traditionis Custodes.
"So, in the end, Diane Montagna’s BOMBSHELL is empty and devoid of substance, just like the Resist-the-Pope movement itself."
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Father Thomas Weinandy, as well as John Cavadini, and Mary Healy, had offered the following in 2022 A.D:
Excerpts:
"...the desire gradually grew among some priests and faithful to return to Tridentine Mass (often called the Traditional Latin Mass)."
"One can understand and sympathize with the motives for such a return.
"Although one can empathize with these concerns, we believe that a return to the Tridentine Mass is liturgically unfortunate and doctrinally unacceptable.
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"Although the argument is proffered that the Council never rescinded the Tridentine form of the rite, the reason for this lack of an explicit abrogation, as noted previously, is precisely that the Council Fathers saw themselves as revitalizing the Roman rite, and thus they did not anticipate the continued celebration of its unrevised form.
"What is often overlooked is the notification issued by the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship, Conferentiarum Episcopalium (October 28, 1974), addressed to the episcopal conferences throughout the world, which states:
"With regard to the Roman Missal: when an episcopal conference has determined that a vernacular version of the Roman Missal — or a part of it, such as the Order of Mass — must be used in its territory, from then on Mass may not be celebrated, whether in Latin or in the vernacular, save according to the rite of the Roman Missal promulgated by the authority of Paul VI on 7 April, 1969.
"With regard to the regulations issued by this sacred congregation in favor of priests who, on account of advanced years or infirm health, find it difficult to use the new Order of the Roman Missal or the Mass Lectionary: it is clear that an ordinary may grant permission to use, in whole or in part, the 1962 edition the Roman Missal, with the changes introduced by the Decrees of 1965 and 1967.
"But this permission can only be granted for Masses celebrated without a congregation. Ordinaries may not grant it for Masses celebrated with a congregation.
"Ordinaries, both religious and local, should endeavor to secure the acceptance of the Order of the Mass of the new Roman Missal by priests and laity."
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Fortunately, the one who counts, Pope Leo, will generously grant permission for the celebration of the TLM to those bishops who request it. It’s a marvelous way to negate/reverse TCđ
Verecchio is a sede and a prticularly kooky one at that. MT, why are you giving his rantings so much attention? Really scraping to fuel your confirmation bias at this point.
Nick
That series of articles has been shown to be fundamentally flawed in various ways in various responses. But even taking the authors’ assertions as true, they’re significantly weakened by events preceding and following the 1974 decree, from calls for allowing coexistence if the old and new liturgies and the so-called Agatha Christie indults to subsequent popes legislating much… much… much… broader permissions for the older form of the liturgy.
Nick
In line with Pope Francis' (requiescat in pace) wise issuance of Traditionis Custodes, I am certain that Pope Leo XIV will act wisely in regard to the issue in question.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
MT Suit,
Don't commit suicide. TC was built on a lie and Francis did it anyway. That is criminal and evil.
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And confirms @dianemontagna’s revelation that the survey of global bishops found broad satisfaction with SP. So TC was built on a lie.
MT Suit, get lost.
Father McDonald said..."...Pope Leo, will generously grant permission for the celebration of the TLM to those bishops who request it. It’s a marvelous way to negate/reverse TC"
What about bishops who are not generous in regard to the TLM...who provide stones, rather than bread? Would Pope Leo XIV micromanage those situations to force bishops to offer TLMs? Or, would His Holiness support anti-TLM, anti-Summorum Pontificum bishops?
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Pope Leo may reverse his predecessor's micro-management. Who knows, maybe even permitted TLMs will be publicized in parish bulletins again!
And the appointment of Bishop Mario Aviles from auxiliary of Brownsville to ordinary of Corpus Christi is a data-point.
Nick
MT Suit,
That is the most ridiculous statement of yours to date - you loved it when corrupt Francis micro-managed an evil document to suppress the TLM. Any bishop who is anti-TLM should be degraded from their office and told they are welcome to become a barista at StarBucks
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