The first problem with todas, todas, todas, is that it is used first and foremost to include the so-called “LGBTQ++” people, which classifies them not as individuals, but belonging to a secular/political movement. There is plenty of ideology in this political movement that the Church should condemn and do so uncompromisingly.
It’s like a pope saying, in a theoretical sense, todas, todas, todas, but referring to a political affiliation that is anti-Christ in some or all of its ideologies. Thus fascists are invited without condemnation of their political movement that is dangerous to the Faith and to society. Are fascists as individuals, if Catholics, required to attend Mass each Sunday and Holy Day of Obligation? You betcha! Are fascists as a political group asked to attend Mass as a group and sit together wearing t-shirts proudly announcing their adherence to the fascist movement? I hope not.
If so, the Catholic Church has entered into the realm of the absurd!
I live in the conservative south. We have plenty of homosexual people living in downtown Savannah and downtown Charleston. Like most people, their political affiliations are not flaunted unless of course it is time for an election. When I was at the Cathedral in Savannah from 1985 to 1991, we had plenty of gay Catholics, many in our all-mens’ choir and in the congregation at large. They did not flaunt any aspect of their life that might have been sinful. I always thought of the partners out there as people seeking the Lord and I did not fantasize about what happened behind closed doors. For all I know they could have been yelling screaming and hitting each other all day long. I did not focus on that!
Even in the 1980’s if two people of the same sex came up to me after Mass and asked for a blessing due to some intention they had, I would do it in a casual way. What’s the big deal!
BTW, when I was at the cathedral is when the AIDS crisis just began with all its misunderstandings about contagion and it was before there was adequate treatment to prevent dying from the AIDS pneumonia. I saw several of our choir members enter the hospital and die within days of developing that pneumonia. I happily visited them, anointed them and offered them Holy Communion or Viaticum.
Certainly Pope Francis and Pope Leo don’t mean by “todas, todas, todas” that the LGBTQ+++ political movement should attend Mass in drag, half naked, wearing g-strings or less and leather as in S&M or did they?
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"Certainly Pope Francis and Pope Leo don’t mean by “todas, todas, todas” that the LGBTQ+++ political movement should attend Mass in drag, half naked, wearing g-strings or less and leather as in S&M or did they?" Intended or not, this was allowed. If it was not known that this was what was going to happen OR when it happened and no action were taken to stop it, then shame on Leo! Same shame on Cardinal Dolan for allowing this in St Patrick's Cathedral. I'm sick and tired of the threading of the needle here. I contend you can say what Leo said, which was kind and pastoral BUT he should also publicly call to conversion those whose sin cries out to heaven for vengeance
However, the study conducted by Sharma revealed a surprising twist: approval of Pope Francis, rather than ordination date or political ideology, predicts a more pastoral stance toward LGBTQ+ issues, suggesting that even politically conservative and religiously traditional priests can embrace a more inclusive approach when guided by the Francis example.
https://www.ncronline.org/vatican/leos-embrace-francis-lgbtq-acceptance-follows-surprising-new-study-priests
Certainly Pope Francis and Pope Leo don’t mean by “todas, todas, todas” that the LGBTQ+++ political movement should attend Mass in drag, half naked, wearing g-strings or less and leather as in S&M or did they?"
That’s not what happens at LGBT pastoral group masses. The St Patrick’s Cathedral funeral was an isolated incident. Regrettable but the cathedral staff were also responsible by not vetting the service details including bidding prayers / eulogies etc in advance which seems inconceivable.
The fortnightly Westminster diocese pastoral provision masses were approved following lengthy discussions with Cardinal Ratzinger to bring in-house a non-approved mass in soho Anglican Church.
Sophia here Points to ponder!
Edward Pentin’s article:
“Professor Rist: St Augustine Would Have Been ‘Appalled’ at Recent VATICAN Events”,
- and to pray about! SS Peter and Paul, St Augustine, St Catherine of Siena, Pope St Pius V and Pope St Pius X intercede for our One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church! Amen!
https://open.substack.com/pub/edwardpentin/p/professor-rist-st-augustine-would?r=486mz&utm_medium=ios
Have a Blessed Day!
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