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Thursday, September 11, 2025

CUTTING POPE LEO XIV AND POPE FRANCIS SOME SLACK


 I am pre-Vatican II enough, to be an ultramontane when it comes to the pope and papacy. I was shocked as a 22 year old when the seminarians who picked me up at the airport in Baltimore in August of 1976 started talking about Pope Paul VI in very derogatory ways—not because they perceived him to be too “liberal” but because he wasn’t liberal enough. I was shocked.

I am still shocked by how quickly Catholics not only critique popes, but hatefully condemn them. We’re adults and certainly we have a right to critique and to think critically, religiously as well as in secular things. 

Pope Leo is already receiving condemnation by the heterodox right. He’ll get it too from the heterodox left, although the left is a bit more discreet in their screeds. 

Of course, the right goes crazy over any hint of changing the sexual moral teachings of the Church, even when that really isn’t the case. What changes is the pastoral approach and moving away from anathemas to a more loving approach that isn’t strident, like the 1980’s “tough love”. 

Will it work? Yes and no! It didn’t work for Jesus at the Last Supper. Pope Leo spoke about Jesus’ betrayer, Judas, and the loving chance that Jesus offered him not to betray him (at the last Supper).

I think this is Pope Leo’s approach too, not just for those who live in and glory in sexual immorality of whatever stripe and publicly too, but all of us poor miserable sinners.

This is an AI summary of Pope Leo’s catechesis on Judas and it is the foundation of Pope Leo’s pastoral approach?

Overview
Reflection by Pope Leo XIV, “Despite our faults, our hope consists  nevertheless in the fact that even if we fail Him, [Jesus] will never fail  us. If we betray Him, He will never betray us. Let us ...
Pope Leo XIV has addressed Judas' betrayal by emphasizing Jesus's enduring love and mercy during the Last Supper, where Jesus offered a final attempt to save Judas through a gesture of love and forgiveness. The Pope highlighted that this act demonstrates that even in betrayal, God's love is unwavering and can lead to a path of salvation, rather than passive forgetfulness. He also reflected on the "woe" Jesus uttered for Judas, interpreting it not as a curse but as a lamentation born of compassion, which can be an opportunity for conversion if recognized.  
Love's Last Attempt at the Last Supper
  • At the Last Supper, Jesus offered a morsel of bread to Judas, a gesture the Pope described as "love's last attempt not to give up". 
  • This act, along with the washing of the disciples' feet, shows Christ's humility and unwavering love, even for the one who would betray him. 
Forgiveness as an Active Gift 
  • True forgiveness, according to Pope Leo XIV, is not passive forgetfulness but an active gift of love given freely, even before it is accepted.
  • It is the ability to set another free by loving them to the end, demonstrating the power of hope and preventing evil from multiplying.
Betrayal as an Opportunity for Salvation
  • Every betrayal can become an opportunity for salvation if one chooses the path of greater love. 
  • Even at the darkest moment of rejection, God does everything possible to reach people. 
The "Woe" to Judas 
  • Jesus's utterance of "woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed" is not a curse but a cry of pain or a lamentation, according to Vatican News.
  • This "woe" expresses sincere and deep compassion, and the recognition of this suffering can open the door to conversion.
The Nature of God's Love
  • Jesus's love does not deny the truth of pain but ensures evil does not have the last word. 
  • The act of forgiveness is not weak but a sign of strength that allows love to shine stronger than hatred. 

15 comments:

big benny said...

I agree. Best to stop projecting hopes and biases onto Leo and let him govern. They’ll be actions decisions and appointments not liked by all sides, particularly if he is going to build consensus within a fractured church - by definition meaning upsetting some of the people some of the time..

The church is often described as the barque of Peter. Boats don’t reach their end destination by steering a straight course which would necessitate cutting through the waves. They zig-zag with the current. My point being that Leo may make short-term decisions which aren’t his optimal choice as stepping stones towards a longer goal!

big benny said...

It’s noticeable that Cardinal Nichols’s (approaching 80) diary is completely empty from October. Expect the appointment of the new Archbishop of Westminster sometime this month - likely to be one of Leo’s first major appointments (especially as the incumbent is usually made Cardinal) and an indication of “personnel is policy” in action!

Will he play safe or swing left/right or surprise us all?

Mark Thomas said...

Pope Leo XIV will encounter the following:

His Holiness casts a fishing net over LGBTQ+ folks. The Pope is determined to bring said folks aboard the Ark of Salvation.

Said net will contain LGBTQ+ folks who will strive to live holy lives. The net will also contain LGBTQ+ folks who will shake their fists, even within a church...even during Mass...at various Church teachings.

That is the reality that the Pope will face anytime that he reaches out to LGBTQ+ folks.

When bad actors among LGBTQ+ folks shake their fists at Holy Mother Church, the right-wing will attack the Pope for having inflicted "scandal," as well as "confusion," upon the Church.

The right-wing will shout to the Pope: "You are to blame for that. We told you so. That is the price that you will pay anytime that you reach out to LGBTQ+ folks."

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Akin to the above is that which the Pope will experience in regard to a net cast over Trad Inc. Said net will include trads who accept Church teachings. The net will also include trads who shake their fists at Church teachings.

Anti-TLM folks will attack the Pope: "You are to blame for that. We told you so. That is the price that you will pay anytime that you reach out to trads."

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What is the Pope to do in regard to LGBTQ+ folks, as well as trads? Ignore said groups? Or, reach out to each group in question? Then brace himself for the negativity that will follow.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

big benny said...

Trads may find others within the church more tolerant of them if they toned down the condemnations.

"'If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge?'".

big benny said...

Todus todus todus!

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Most ideologues in the LBGTQ+++ love quoting Who am I to judge, without the prefix to what the pope actually said.

big benny said...

The Centre for Applied Research in the Apostolate (Cara) said most dioceses in the United States experiencing the greatest growth were in the south and southwest.

Atlanta, Georgia gained almost one million new Catholics in the past 20 years, San Bernardino, California, gained 878,000 new Catholics, and three dioceses in Texas – Dallas, Fort Worth and Galveston-Houston – each gained approximately 700,000 or more Catholics.

Historic dioceses in the north and Midwest continued to lose significant numbers. Brooklyn, New York and Detroit, Michigan both lost more than 300,000 Catholics, with Hartford, Connecticut and Chicago, Illinois both losing about a quarter of a million Catholics.

Cara found that smaller dioceses in rural areas sometimes produce a relatively large number of vocations. Bismark, North Dakota, with only 60,000 Catholics, ordained 15 new priests in the last five years, more than some dioceses like San Diego and Fort Worth with a million Catholics.

big benny said...

He made this remark during a press conference aboard a plane returning from Brazil in July 2013, clarifying that gay people should not be marginalized and must be integrated into society. While affirming the Catholic Church's teaching that homosexual acts are sinful, he emphasized that a person's sexual orientation itself is not a sin, and judgment should be avoided.

There you go!

big benny said...

Arguably, homosexual acts are masturbatory and so not the worst thing in the world per se. Promiscuity / abuse of self/others are the component of sexual sin that are more significant. Homosexuals can be caring and affectionate without being overtly sexual - I don’t see that as a sin.

I don’t pry into the sexual proclivities of straight couples or individuals. That’s their business and a matter between them and their confessor.

Mark Thomas said...

In regard to the "scandal," as well as "abomination of desolation" that Pope Leo XIV has unleashed supposedly throughout the Church:

There have been demands that he apologize in regard to the above. In addition, His Holiness has been called upon to cleanse Saint Peter's Basilica via a Mass of Repreparation.

I do not doubt that Pope Leo XIV, a holy, humble man, would do so should he believe the above-mentioned claims.

Many folks who comprise Trad Inc. are on the warpath against our holy Pope Leo XIV. Said folks have found the opening that they believe has confirmed His Holiness as a modernist. That narrative will remain in place.

That is among the reasons why we should pray for Pope Leo XIV.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Mark Thomas said...

I had noted that there are defiant, fist-shaking LGBTQ+ folks who, unfortunately, will trample Holy Mother Church's goodwill gestures toward said community. That is the cost of doing business, if you will, with the LGBTQ+ community.

Peter Steinfels had noted that last year far more expertly than I, via the following:

https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/hijacking-st-patricks-cathedral

-- Hijacking St. Patrick’s Cathedral

Peter Steinfels. March 27, 2024 A.D. Commonweal Magazine.

"Responding to outrage at the spectacle, St. Patrick’s swiftly held a 'Mass of Reparation,'...

"And now it was the turn of the funeral’s organizers to be outraged. The “community Ms. Gentili served,” they insisted, deserved “a public apology” from the archdiocese.

"Her right to the “full Catholic Mass that was agreed upon” had been violated...The archdiocese had employed “painful and exclusionary language” in its criticism of the event..."

"It is a sense of entitlement common to the glossier sector of the LGBTQ world. It is the entitlement of victimhood — the entitlement of an identity that defines itself by its victimization.

“We still gonna show up as us!” said a trans eulogist at the funeral before whipping up the congregants into the initial chanting of “Cecilia, Cecilia.”

"Showing up “as us” seems to have meant not surrendering their identity to the Gothic arches and Catholic expectations of reverence for a rite at St. Patrick’s. Showing up “as us” meant:

"This is our space now, our time, and we proceed by our own norms. It meant parading one’s derision of traditional sexual or social codes and reveling in the transgressive as an expression of freedom and a path toward fulfillment.

"If the words “(deleted)” and “(deleted)” are terms of endearment in certain trans settings, then they should be no less welcomed as part of queer culture in St. Patrick’s Cathedral, as two authors argued in the National Catholic Reporter.

"If the Catholic Church employs the title “saint” in a very particular way and we don’t, then tough luck for the Catholic Church.

"No matter that flaunting this defiant scorn for a religion and its norms both misrepresents most gay, lesbian, and transgender people and makes life harder for them.

"It has broader consequences as well. Is it really surprising, for instance, that so many Americans suspect the liberalism that defends and applauds Drag Queen Story Hour?

"Or that sympathy with pride flags and marches is fading? Or that questions about “gender-affirming” medical treatments for children, who gets to use which school bathrooms, and who can compete as male or female in athletics have escalated so quickly to the top of our cultural politics?"

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Nick said...

"Arguably, homosexual acts are masturbatory and so not the worst thing in the world per se. Promiscuity / abuse of self/others are the component of sexual sin that are more significant."

...benny, do try to stay consistent from sentence to sentence.

"I don’t pry into the sexual proclivities of straight couples or individuals."

That's nice. That doesn't mean the Church should abdicate the authority to teach on the morality of conduct.

Nick

Nick said...

The sin of scandal is committed not only by inducing others to evil with words or deeds, but also by not preventing it, when one is obliged to do so.

Those who have authority and do not prevent evil seem to consent to it: and thus become participants in it.

Good thing Pope Leo has not authority over St. Peter's! Wait, no... uh... look over here, MT is dangling the Taylor Marshall red herring on a line!

Nick

big benny said...

That's nice. That doesn't mean the Church should abdicate the authority to teach on the morality of conduct.

The church can and should teach about morality including the right ordering of sexuality but that doesn’t mean you have the right to speculate and cast judgment on others.

big benny said...

Confirmed: Leo asked the bishop to celebrate lgbt jubilee pilgrimage mass…

https://outreach.faith/2025/09/bishop-francesco-savino-pope-leo-urged-me-to-celebrate-mass-with-lgbtq-catholics/

Guess it’s not just Burke he’s reaching out to!