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I don't disagree completely with the Winters of the Chismatic. But coming from the National Chismatic Reporter which regularly spews schismatic theology, just think about its call to have women ordained priests as a matter of feel good social justice not to mention its support of abortion, same sex unions and the like. However, I agree Archbishop is a loose canon and that he should be disciplined, not by other bishops complaining about him, but the one who has the authority to do so, the Bishop of Rome. Of course a meeting should take place in private and then a follow-up if Vigano doesn't recant his complete disrespect for the person of the Pope. Pope St. John Paul dialogued with Archbishop Marcel Lefebrev before he ultimately had to excommunicate him when he ordained bishops without papal approval. So the Bishop of Rome is the only one who can do anything and His Holiness silence is not the solution but the problem.
Who still stands with Viganò?
Jul 27, 2020
Next month will be the second anniversary of the infamous "testimony" of former nuncio Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, published first at the EWTN-owned National Catholic Register. It was obviously the work of a profoundly disturbed person, all the settling scores, spewing accusations hither and yon, demonstrating that he, and he alone, was virtuous. He even called upon Pope Francis to resign! The timing — at the end of Francis' visit to Ireland — was designed to gain maximum exposure.
At a press conference on the plane back to Rome, Francis chose not to engage the charges Viganò had leveled. "I will not say a single word on this," the pope said about Viganò's screed. "I think this statement speaks for itself, and you have the sufficient journalistic capacity to draw conclusions."
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I doubt we would have had Summorum Pontificum without Archbishop Lefevbre's disobedience.
I just wish Pope Francis would answer the dubia.
Father McDonald,
This should cause you pause from PF's twitter account:
On the memorial of the Saints Joachim and Anne, Jesus's “grandparents”, I would like to invite young people to do something tender towards the elderly, especially the loneliest, in their homes or residences. Dear young people, each elderly person is your grandparent!
I believe the Council of Ephesus declared that Joachim and Anne were Jesus' grandparents
I agree and disagree with parts of the recent Michael Sean Winters' article in question.
From the beginning, nearly two years ago, Mister Winters pegged Archbishop Viganò correctly as a liar. It is undeniable that Archbishop Viganò has lied, and promoted reckless, unsubstantiated claims.
Mister Winters is correct in regard to all of the above.
I disagree with Mr. Winters in that he had fretted about schism. As he noted, a relative handful of bishops two years go had offered certain levels of support to Archbishop Viganò.
Mister Winters said that "several U.S. bishops (in 2018 A.D.) came out with statements in the subsequent days in which they attested to Viganò's integrity, and not to that of Francis. There was schism in the air."
Today, Mister Winters said that it "is time for those bishops who testified to his (Archbishop Viganò's) integrity to speak up now and distance themselves from him, and to do so as publicly as they once attested to his character."
1. There was never even a remote chance of schism as the overwhelming amount of bishops had stood, and remain standing, with Pope Francis.
Even among those bishops who had offered some level of support to Archbishop Viganò, I don't believe that they were poised to have joined Archbishop Viganò's mutiny against Pope Francis.
2. As to whether the bishops in question should come clean...admit that they were wrong...
I believe that for now, we would be best served should said bishops attempt privately (if possible) to get word to Archbishop Viganò to exhort him to end his mutiny against God.
Asking said bishops to come clean publicly about their support of Archbishop Viganò could smack of "I told you so." We don't need to humiliate said bishops.
I imagine that said bishops are ashamed and embarrassed that they had granted to Archbishop Viganò any level of support.
Today is today...not 2018 A.D., in regard to Archbishop Viganò and his false claims.
We know today that it's an undeniable fact that he's a liar.
It is unimaginable today that anybody in his or her right mind would support Archbishop Viganò.
Archbishop Viganò's lies have been exposed. He has become even more unhinged as he's promoted ridiculous Fatima-related conspiracy theories.
Archbishop Viganò has recycled old, tired, anti-Vatican II arguments that, for example, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI has demolished time and again during the past 55 years.
Archbishop Viganò has denounced Pope Benedict XVI's "hermeneutic of reform" in regard to Vatican II.
Archbishop Viganò is unhinged to a frightening extent. He needs his former enablers among the bishops in question to pray for him...to try to reach him...to exhort him to end his mutiny against God and Holy Mother Church.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Mark Thomas,
Speaking of unhinged, look in the mirror!
Father McDonald said..."So the Bishop of Rome is the only one who can do anything and His Holiness silence is not the solution but the problem."
I believe that Pope Francis has handled Archbishop Viganò brilliantly. Had he engaged in a public shouting match with Archbishop Viganò, or disciplined him, then the Pope Francis-hating right-wing forces aligned with Archbishop Viganò would have played the following card:
"Big, bad Bergoglio, and his henchmen, versus little, old, innocent, Saint Viganò."
Said folks would, of course, play that card, should Pope Francis be forced to discipline Archbishop Viganò. They will attack Pope Francis viciously.
Pope Francis' brilliant handling of Archbishop Viganò has permitted us to observe that Archbishop Viganò is an unhinged liar...an erratic man who has flown off the rails to such an embarrassing extent that he has sunk to proclaiming bizarre Fatima conspiracy theories...attacking Vatican II.
Archbishop Viganò would have done well to have copied Pope Francis' holy, modest, Christlike silent approach.
Instead, Archbishop Viganò opted to shame and embarrass himself. That is the result of his having followed Satan's ways — lies, rancor, hatred, defamation...
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Speaking of shame and embarrassment---not related to the power struggles mentioned above---Georgia's capital city continues to shine in those dubious categories. From the local news: "The 3-year-old girl who found a gun and shot herself in the head Tuesday has died of her injuries, police said. (Police officer) Grant said the child's mother and boyfriend are at the scene cooperating with the investigation."
Notice the article did not state "the wife and husband of the child" but the child's "mother and boyfriend."
This followed a recent period where the city had 35 shootings in 26 days. And a recent outbreak of youths using aggressive tactics to sell bottled water at some of our busiest intersections, sometimes pulling guns on the unwilling buyers.
Hmmm...might there be a connection between fatherless kids and crime? And if so, why does this persist decade after decade after decade in our cities?
Mark Thomas,
If you had a fraction of Archbishop Vigano’s erudition and service to the Church, we might entertain your leftwing ravings. I believe, Vigano, like Archbishop Lefebvre, will be recognized as among the modern Church’s prophets, battling the modernists and homosexual filth which is destroying the faith of millions. His methods may be questionable, but given PF’s destructive papacy, where PF has never addressed the dubia, nor the drug fueled gay sex orgy in the Vatican under PF’s very nose, they may be just what the Church requires
I see we haven't raised enough money for that slow boat to China yet,....
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