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Wednesday, July 5, 2023

I HAVE ALWAYS APPRECIATED THE PROPER INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN II AND HAVE PROCLAIMED FAR AND WIDE THAT ALLL CATHOLICS IN GOOD STANDING WITH THE CHURCH MUST ACCEPT THE PROPER INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN II—POPE BENEDICT XVI WAS CLEAR ABOUT IT AND ITS ETHOS OF REFORM IN CONTINUITY AND IN A NON-REFERENTIAL WAY…

 


George Weigle gets it and the importance of Vatican II properly interpreted. 

Unfortunately, most heterodox progressives don’t get it and want to cancel not just the pre-Vatican II Church but the documents of Vatican II properly interpreted.

This is a great article by Weigle. Press the title for it. I have a money byte below the title:

Synod-2023: Reversing Vatican II?

In the early period of his pontificate, Pope Francis warned the Church against “self-referentiality”. Yet the world synodal process since 2021 has been a colossal exercise in self-referentiality.


Vatican II’s richly biblical, Christocentric theology of the Church is notably absent from the Working Document (the Instrumentum Laboris, or IL) for the Synod on Synodality, which will meet in Rome in October.

The good people of Aleteia did a word scan of the IL and came up with some telling results. In the IL, the words “Church” and “ecclesial” appear 484 times; “synod,” “synodal,” and “synodality” are used 342 times; “mission” and “missionary” are used 142 times; “process” is used 87 times.

By contrast, “Jesus” appears 14 times and “Christ” is used 35 times.

In the early period of his pontificate, Pope Francis warned the Church against “self-referentiality” — always talking about ourselves — which the pope rightly declared an obstacle to bringing Christ, the light of the nations, to the world. Yet the world synodal process since 2021 has been a colossal exercise in self-referentiality, as the word-count of Synod-2023’s IL (which sums up that process) makes unmistakably clear.

8 comments:

TJM said...

This pontificate can't be tossed into the ashbin of history soon enough.

monkmcg said...

I spoke with a pastor who went to the seminary in the late 70s and he had never read the actual documents of Vatican II. By the time he got to seminary, they had already stopped reading them.

TJM said...

They probably stopped reading them because they undercut what was being peddled at the time as being what the Council required. Faux liturgists would have been hardest hit by an actual reading of the documents

Anonymous said...

Nine months ago, Gregory DiPippo, editor of New Liturgical Movement, had authored an article that appeared on One Peter 5 blog.

The article questioned George Weigel's understanding of Vatican II.

https://onepeterfive.com/response-george-weigel/

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Father McDonald, I imagine that the majority of commenters here will reject your enthusiasm in regard to George Weigel's latest column.

Within the traditionalist world, George Weigel has enraged certain folks via his unwavering support of Vatican II, as well as the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI.

In regard to his current column: George Weigel's support for Vatican II will turn off many commenters here. His support of Vatican II having razed the Church's "bastions" of the Counter-Reformation will upset many commenters here. Said folks will insist that the Council's opening to the world has wrecked the Church

Many commenters here will reject the following: George Weigel's notion that the Synod must link itself "in fidelity to the spirit and letter of Vatican II."

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Anonymous said...

Let us pretend that George Weigel's concerns are valid in regard to the Synod's Instrumentum Laboris/Working Document.

George Weigel's final paragraph begins:

"The Synodal Assembly in October will have to rescue the Synod from its Working Document."

The good news is that George Weigel followed the above sentence with:

"This was done in 2014, 2015, and 2018. It can and should be done again, in fidelity to the spirit and letter of Vatican II."

1. Concerns in regard to Working Documents were a waste of time and energy.

2. George Weigel has called attention to the holy power and orthodoxy of Vatican II.

That is, George Weigel made it clear that "fidelity to the spirit and letter of Vatican II" has resulted in holy success.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

TJM said...

Mark Thomas,

When are you going to deal with the reality of this pontificate? Why won’t you denounce or defend the Pope’s inaction regarding the Vatican clerics engaged in a cocaine fueled gay sex orgy?

Anonymous said...

The following declaration from George Weigel has demonstrated his greatest misstep in regard to Vatican II:

"Providence raised up two men of genius, John Paul II and Benedict XVI… to give Vatican II an authoritative interpretation (and) the truth about the Council."

That statement is fine.

But the problem is that George Weigel has long absented (all but so) Popes Saint Paul VI, John Paul I, as well as Francis, from the above-mentioned process. One consequence of that has been the pitting of Popes Saint John Paul II, as well as Benedict XVI, against the above-mentioned Popes.

God has authorized each Pope that I mentioned (not to exclude Pope Saint John XIII) to interpret/implement the Council.

That said, I applaud George Weigel's unrelenting defense, as well as promotion, of Vatican II. The same applies to the unrelenting support that he has bestowed upon the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

TJM said...

Mark Thomas continues to evade legitimate questions about his Golden Calf