Tuesday, May 15, 2018

EVEN IF I BELONGED TO A POST-CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION WHICH BLESSES SAME SEX MARRIAGES, THIS ONE GIVES ME PAUSE AND YES IT IS THE YUCK FACTOR ON A COUPLE OF LEVELS

Making a gay wedding cake, and more signs of Macon's growing support for LGBT couples

Read more here: http://www.macon.com/#storylink=cpy

First Post-Baptist Church of Christ in Macon, Georgia, next door to Saint Joseph Church, my former parish, pats itself on the back for being so-open and so-post Christian. But apart from blessing gay unions and calling them marriage, even if you favor such a thing, does this nonetheless have a certain yuck factor even if the couple were heterosexual? File this under, just barely legal?

32 comments:

TJM said...

Sad on so many levels.

qwikness said...

There is something not quite honest in the reporting of this. There is much reference of being a Baptist Church in the South and how everything is progressing, but this church left the Southern Baptist Convention long ago. The Southern Baptists can only shake their heads at this. So why is this getting front page news? Pushing an agenda perhaps?

ByzRC said...

Anything that showcases "unions" such as this as progressive is the left continuing to force feed its agenda until society at-large acquiesces or, is otherwise shamed as bigoted, narrow minded etc.

Gene said...

Anything between two consenting mammals, I always say...

rcg said...

ByzRC is right. The paper hopes people reading this will go along with it if they are led to believe the majority accept it. They vote the same way.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Be sure to note that First Post Christian Baptist Church of Christ is basically owned and controlled by Mercer University which also lost its status as a southern Baptist university over gay manipulation about 15 years ago.

The former president, Dr. Godsby, a multi-millionaire and main financial supporter of First Post Baptist controls things there as he did at the university. The older man in the photo married the young boy is his son.

Capice?

TJM said...

Father McDonald,

That explains a lot, a rich liberal imposing their perverted view of religion on the world . I was shocked when I saw a picture of the "couple," an older man with a much younger man, I was thinking it almost smacks of pedophilia.

rcg said...

What is going on in Macon? Mercer has a nutty professor and the paper had that former priest who was crazy as a betsy bug. If y’all can’t fix it you should at least bottle the water and sell it.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Godsby thinks he's the pope of Macon and can manipulate Christianity into his own disordered vision--I think he's a megalomaniac. The Telegraph, which dropped the Macon part of it decades ago, is a McKlatchy corporation paper, but very much in sync with what Dr. Godsby wants for religion.

We know that most Protestants of the Baptist tradition are infallible when they believe something, no matter how wrong. And then they pontificate on it and break away and form a new church.

TJM said...

Fr. McDonald,

IS his name really God By By?

Anonymous said...

The younger man looks to be in his 20s, maybe early 30s. The older guy, Godsey, looks to be early-mid 50s. That's a bit of an age gap, but not terribly unusual among straight couples.

Plenty of high rollers, CEO types and other 1 percentage go young for the second or third or fourth wife.

In fact, it's roughly the same age difference between a well-known New York developer and his Slovenian model wife. Conservatives seem OK with that.

Calling Godsey a pedophile is disgusting. Attempting to mock him by garbling his name is just childish.

TJM said...

Kavanaugh,

I said it "smacks of " pedophilia, not that it was, so your reading comprehension skills are failing. But your hero, Bill Clintoon, has made regular trips to Pedophile Island, so I understand your sensitivity. FYI, most of the 1 percenters, Obama, Clintoon, Steyer, Soros, Kerry, Pelosi, are members and supporters of the Abortion Party. Have a nice day!!! I imagine you did not protest when YOUR party referred to President Bush as BushHitler or McChimpy!

Daniel said...

Since nobody else will say it, RIP Bill Cummings, whom I knew somewhat in his Macon years. I found him a decent affable guy & a gentleman, though I didn’t often agree with him. He could disagree without being disagreeable and without sinking to name calling and juvenile insults. You know, like “real Catholics” use.

Anonymous 2 said...

In case it is relevant to anyone’s estimation of this couple:

I have been a Mercer Law School faculty member for thirty eight years. Therefore, clearly I know Dr. Kirby Godsey, although I do not recall ever meeting Hunter Godsey. I did not know that Hunter Godsey was gay.

I worked very closely with Jon Simpson when he was a student at the Law School. Indeed, he served as my research assistant for two years. Jon was an outstanding student and research assistant, and he is an excellent lawyer. In my experience Jon is also a person of sterling character. However, I did not know, and never suspected, that he was gay. Knowing that Jon is gay, and knowing that Jon got married to Hunter Godsey last Saturday, does not change my very high opinion of him one iota. Nor would knowing that Jon was gay have changed my very high opinion of him while he was a student at the Law School.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

I offered Mass for the repose of his soul.

Anonymous said...

No discussion here is finished until the angry man sitting in the corner, apropos of nothing, suddenly starts mumbling repetitively about Hillary and Obama and “the abortion party.” The fat lady has sung!

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

A2 there are many good people, nice to be around to include those who cheat on their spouses, live very duplicitous lives and often have little or no concern for the truly oppressed,
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The Church's mission, and by that I mean traditional Christianity, is to name sin for what it is and call people to repentance. Yes, within the context of love, mercy but also justice.

The corruption of the Divine institution of marriage is very serious and to bless that corruption and call it good is blashemy of the Holy Spirit.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Yes, there is a fine line based upon cultural acceptance about an older man marrying a younger women. Often it is celebrated but where does ephebophlia fit into all of this in terms of the erotic needs of the older person and the needs of a younger person for a father figure? Incest anyone?

In South Carolina in my lifetime, a 13 year girl could marry an older man with parental permission. No one thought of this as child molestation at the time. We do today.

It was and is in historic homosexual expression as well as today,for older homosexual men to prey on younger ones--think ancient Greece and Rome. It as cultural accepted back then, but only accepted today within some homosexual circles.

This opens the door wide to sexual abuse of minors by clergy of all religions, parents, siblings and others when one can justify one's sexual appetite based upon cultural norms and not revealed truth.


Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Justifying one's sexual appetite on personal needs and individualism and the desire to be accepted by the wider community is also narcissistic.

TJM said...

Kavanaugh,

The torpedo you launched is coming back right at you:

"In fact, it's roughly the same age difference between a well-known New York developer and his Slovenian model wife. Conservatives seem OK with that."

YOU brought partisan politics into this post, not me!! I just returned your snarkiness in kind.

Have a nice day!

Anonymous said...

"The corruption of the Divine institution of marriage is very serious and to bless that corruption and call it good is blashemy of the Holy Spirit."

"Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit"?

No, it's not. Where do you find this stuff, or do you just make it up on the spot?

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

To pervert a God-given "institution" which transcends Christianity (marriage) and then to bless that perversion as though it is of God--is blasphemy of the Most Holy Trinity which include, by the way,the Holy Spirit! I stand corrected, it is blasphemy of the Most Holy Trinity!

Don't Call Me Kavanaugh said...

I believe the Catholic church should continue to practice and celebrate marriage according to its own teachings and values. Neither the government nor other faiths should dictate the Catholics sacrament of marriage. That would be a blasphemy.

I also believe that other faiths should be allowed to practice and celebrate marriage according to their own teachings and values. Neither the government nor other faiths should be allowed to dictate. That would be a violation of their religious liberty

TJM said...

Don't Call Me Kavanaugh, funny but you do sound like Kavanaugh

Don't Call Me Kavanaugh said...

TJM: We're both high-school graduates. Thanks for noticing!

Daniel said...

My very favorite things about our little chats is how anybody more enlightened than Father Coughlin or Francisco Franco is automatically “Kavanagh.”

Anonymous 2 said...

Father McDonald:

I merely thought that I should report what I know because a person’s character is (I hope) defined by more than their sexuality, important thought this may be.

And I thought I should do so in case any readers were tempted to conclude that someone who is gay, and indeed who has even have entered into a same sex marriage, is therefore more likely to be morally (or otherwise) suspect in general. I believe this is consistent with the CCC admonition to avoid unjustified discrimination against homosexual persons.

TJM said...

Kavanaugh, you're so cute. You get your jollies posting under "Anonymous" and other nom de plumes. You make my day

Anonymous said...

I am a Mercer alumnus and remember when Godsey appeared on the scene. Many of the faculty were not pleased because Godsey wanted to change Mercer from a small liberal arts college to a university and he viewed everything from the business model. Godsey was no scholar, like the previous President Rufus Harris, and was merely a Southern Baptist Convention bureaucrat. Godsey wouldn't know a Baptist from a Presbyterian and probably thought Calvin was a brand of jeans.

Anonymous 2 said...

Anonymous:

Dr. Godsey is, well, complicated, and I certainly understand the tension between the external goods and internal goods of a practice to which you allude. Getting the balance and relationship right between these two types of goods is a constant challenge, as I well know because I experience the tension regularly as an institutional citizen. But I don’t think anyone can dispute that as a result of Godsey’s vision, as solidified and expanded by his successor Bill Underwood (who spoke at Holy Spirit Catholic Church in Macon a couple of weeks ago by the way), Mercer has become a fine university with a growing national reputation.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Merger is Macon's only hope in the midst of its self-inflicted decline. If not for Mercer Macon would be in a very deep hole.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Mercer is Macon's, not merger