Sunday, May 20, 2018

CAN ANYONE WHO KNOWS TELL US IF THE POST VATICAN II CHURCH OF CHILE WAS PROGRESSIVE/LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE/TRADITIONAL, ORTHODOX OR HETERODOX?




ReutBishop Juan Barros was met with protests at the Osorno cathedral, south of Santiago, when he was consecrated bishop in 2015.

How can the Catholic Church in Chile be classified? Does anyone know? We know from liberation theology as practiced in South and Central America politicized the Church there in a far left direction bringing about a Church and Church members far more hungry for political power and dictatorial influence then promoting the beauty of traditional Catholicism Faith and culture.


Thus the way this Jesuit describes the Church of Chile today is it this way because it is traditional/conservative or progressive/liberal?

From Crux:
Father Eduardo Silva Arevalo, rector of Chile’s Jesuit university, defined the pope’s message to the Chilean bishops in Rome as “very strong and evangelical.”
The priest told Crux that the “poor Church we are now, centered on ourselves, without pastoral harmony with the people of God, on the defensive, clerical, and accused of abuses and negligent to address them” contrasts with a once-prophetic Chilean Church.
In the past, he said, the Church in the country was a defender of human rights, close to the poor, emphatic with popular piety and the indigenous Mapuche people, at the service of base ecclesial communities.
“The resignation [of the bishops] is a sign of a call to conversion, repentance and change, a first step on a very long road,” Silva said.

I found this summary on the internet describing Chile today, which is symptomatic of most developed countries and how the Church's hierarchy meshed in politics has created division:

  Chile used to be more isolated, poorer and less educated. Today there is a broader middle class, with better access to information. Perhaps most importantly, the public's politics seem to be less influenced by the Catholic Church.
The middle class "is a group educated in non-religious public schools, so they have a much more secular vision of society," says Ana María Stuven, a professor of history at the Pontificia Universidad Católica.
In Chile's history, "religion and power have been intrinsically tied," she says. And despite the separation of church and state in 1925, the Catholic hierarchy maintained a strong influence on politics.
"The Catholic Church and conservative organizations had many economic and political resources at its disposal, such as universities, think tanks, media ownership, and used them to promote a very conservative family and sexuality agenda," says Merike Blofield, associate professor of political science at the University of Miami and author of "The Politics of Moral Sin: Abortion and Divorce in Spain, Argentina and Chile."
The Catholic elite's power, however, took a strong blow the past decade, when several sex abuse cases by high profile priests came to light. This, added to the global transition toward more individualistic societies and the deep distrust Chileans have in their institutions, led to the rise of more liberal views, political scientists say.
Polls show that 10 years ago, 44 percent of Chileans trusted the Catholic Church, whereas only 22 percent currently do, explains Francisca Alessandri, researcher at the Center of Public Policies of the Pontificia Universidad Católica and coordinator of the "Encuesta Bicentenario" (Bicentennial Survey), which has been measuring cultural indicators yearly since 2010.
"People don't want to act upon pre-established norms anymore," she says. "So they say, 'I don't go to church, I pray at home. I don't necessarily get married, I live with my partner.'"



Others attribute the change to a rise in political activism that started with widespread student protests to request free education in 2011. That social movement, says Izikson from Cadem polling company, went far beyond showing students´ dissatisfaction.
"That year is a symbol of the changes occurring now," he says. "That's when students, but also parents and grandparents, protested. And it was not only about education, it was about Chile showing its general discontent."
At that moment, he says, support for same-sex marriage and abortion started rising in the polls.
While Amigo believes there is still much to achieve in Chile, she feels like the country has come a long way already.
"Ten years ago nobody even talked about LGTBI issues or there was disrespect," she says. "Chile has definitely opened up." 

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

"The Church and Politics in Chile - Challenges to Modern Catholicism," Brian H. Smith, Publication Year: 2014

Anonymous said...

Ok here is what happened. Reason mixed with intelligence leads me to conclude that this is what happened in Chile.

One of Francis’ sycophants wanted one of his “girlfriends” made the Bishop of Osorno. (And I will use terms like girlfriends because the great big elephant in the room that nobody talks about is that the clergy and episcopate is filled with practicing homosexuals, and everything that goes along with that lifestyle is done by these people including referring to each other by “girly” names and things like that.) And any priest who is honest will admit to it. Anyway, Barros was made Bishop.

Francis made the mistake of opening his mouth about the situation in Chile when people questioned his decision. If he had ignored it like he does for things like the dubia then he wouldn’t be in this situation. But he couldn’t keep quiet because one of his buddies was being attacked. So in his arrogance he goes to Chile and basically accused everyone in the country who disagreed with him as committing the sin of calumny. Which is rich coming from him.

It all blows up when Cardinal O’Malley openly corrected Francis. It’s the end of the line for O’Malley for doing that by the way.

Fast forward to reports that every bishop in Chile offered his resignation. When has any Catholic Bishop offered his resignation before he turned 75 unless he was forced? It doesn’t happen. I guarantee that before those bishops got on a plane to Rome the Vatican had already notified the head of the bishops conference and told him to tell every bishop what the plan was. They would hold a secret meeting which would be leaked to the press that every bishop would offer his resignation. Then Francis would be silent for a month or 2 and accept the resignations of all the conservative bishops and Barros and maybe 1 or 2 others would be replaced and then business as usual. 100 percent that is what happened.

I am also 100 percent certain that this will be used by Francis around the world on every bishops conference to get rid of every conservative bishop in the Church who will be replaced by men like Cupich or Marx. Granted the majority of bishops are spineless men who would never stand up for the Faith anyway because they would loose the golden goose. But Francis isn’t one to let a crisis go to waste. And he will probably hold another consistory and further fill it with heterodox men like all the others he put there. It’s a dark dark time for the Church. And men like Burke should just keep silent. Burke isn’t going to do anything so why bring anything up. They will all go along with the heresy, wait and see. Priestly celibacy will be destroyed. Humanae Vitae will be overturned, intercommunion with anyone will be permitted and encouraged and women will be ordained deacons and not one bishop will say a word. Not one except Schneider. And the destruction of the Faith will be almost total. Time for Our Lady to step in and save the day.

Anonymous said...

has (and is) a form of liberation theology being practiced in the USA toady?