Of the small percentage of Catholics who actually attend the Modern Mass, and that would be less than 5 % of Catholics in some parts of the world to a bit more that 25% of Catholics in other parts of the world, a large percentage of those Catholics like liturgical abuses, the buffoon-bishops and priests who cultivate liturgical abuse and a large percentage of Catholics who still go to the Modern Mass don’t believe what the Church teaches about Transubstantiation and the Sacrificial Aspect of the Mass nor do they miss the reverence of the Mass lost with the fabricated Mass of Pope Paul VI.
As Pope Leo prepares to meet the Cardinals in an Extraordinary Consistory, let us recall His Holiness’ profound words acknowledging by implication that the Mass of Pope Paul VI is flawed and in some ways is the Novus Disorder:
Pope Leo addressed the Jubilee of Eastern Churches with these words:
The Church needs you. The contribution that the Christian East can offer us today is immense! We have great need to recover the sense of mystery that remains alive in your liturgies, liturgies that engage the human person in his or her entirety, that sing of the beauty of salvation and evoke a sense of wonder at how God’s majesty embraces our human frailty! It is likewise important to rediscover, especially in the Christian West, a sense of the primacy of God, the importance of mystagogy and the values so typical of Eastern spirituality: constant intercession, penance, fasting, and weeping for one’s own sins and for those of all humanity (penthos)! It is vital, then, that you preserve your traditions without attenuating them, for the sake perhaps of practicality or convenience, lest they be corrupted by the mentality of consumerism and utilitarianism.
Most Holy Father and Holy Cardinals, please reread Sacrosanctum Concilium and ask why Pope Paul’s Consilium headed by Bishop Bugnini, went way beyond what the Fathers of Vatican II asked in general terms for the updating of the Liturgies of the Church, especially the Holy Mass.
Most Holy Father and Holy Cardinals, please examine all the liturgical abuses of the Mass concocted by Pope Paul’s Consilium and that these abuses are intrinsic to the fabricated Mass that Consilium created and Pope Paul VI inadvisably promulgated.
Most Holy Father and Holy Cardinals, please reexamine Pope Benedict’s brilliant Christmas speech to the Roman Curia about the proper interpretation of the documents of Vatican II in continuity with what preceded the Second Vatican Council.
Most Holy Father and Holy Cardinals recover the letter of Summorum Pontificum as a way to recover the West’s proper sense of silence, wonder, awe, reverence lost in the fabricated, non-organically developed modern Mass of Consilium not Sacrosanctum Concilium.
Most Holy Father and Holy Cardinals, we don’t need to look to the Eastern Liturgies to recover what was lost in Pope Paul’s Mass, we need to look at our own liturgical patrimony lost because of Pope Paul’s Mass—recover the liberal celebration of the Tridentine Mass and that this may lead to what Pope Benedict prayed would organically follow in time:
- Summorum Pontificum (2007): This document granted priests freedom to use the 1962 Missal (Traditional Mass) without needing specific permission, seeing it as a right, not a privilege.
- "Hermeneutic of Continuity": He promoted this principle, arguing the Church's reforms should be understood as a development, not a break, from tradition.
- Mutual Enrichment: He hoped the Traditional Mass would highlight the sacrality that attracts people, while the Novus Ordo could incorporate elements like new saints or prefaces from the older rite, fostering a richer liturgy.
- Enduring Identity: Benedict stressed that the older Missal represents the enduring identity of the Church, a symbol that shouldn't be suppressed to avoid creating a "new" Church versus an "old" one.
- "Reform of the Reform": While not fully implementing a large-scale "reform of the reform," his actions, like careful celebration and promoting Latin, aimed to bring back a stronger sense of tradition and purity to the reformed liturgy, counteracting what he saw as excessive creativity and a diluted sense of the Mass's sacrificial nature.
- "Fabricated Liturgy": In writings before and during his papacy, Cardinal Ratzinger (later Benedict XVI) criticized the way the new liturgy was introduced, describing it as a break from the past and a "fabricated" or "manufactured" liturgy, not a natural development.
- Rupture with Tradition: He felt the new missal's presentation suggested a complete break, creating pain for the faithful rooted in the old rites, and that the Novus Ordo itself sometimes bore responsibility for this.
- Never Abrogated TLM: In his 2007 Summorum Pontificum, Benedict emphasized that the 1962 Missal (the TLM) was "never juridically abrogated," meaning it was always permissible, contrasting with the Novus Ordo's problematic introduction.
- Desire for Unity: He aimed for a mutual enrichment between the two forms, wanting the new Mass to better show the sacrality that drew people to the old form, viewing the TLM as a treasure, not an error.

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"The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops" --St. Athanasius
The most distressing part is the lack of honesty in the entire hierarchy concerning the instructions in Vatican II for changes to the Liturgy and the errors in the VO needed corrections.
Father McDonald said..."a large percentage of Catholics who still go to the Modern Mass don’t believe what the Church teaches about Transubstantiation..."
That claim has been refuted soundly via analyses of flawed surveys that have advanced the above claim.
I have encountered, in overwhelming fashion, among my brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ (those who assist at Mass regularly), unwavering belief in Transubstantiation.
Via Synodal listening sessions, one diocese after another reported powerful belief in Transubstantiation.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
With Father McDonald's permission:
https://x.com/RosaryQuotes123/status/2005677666557698308
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Father McDonald said..."Yes, while Pope Benedict XVI didn't say the Novus Ordo (Mass of Paul VI) was "fabricated" in an official document, he used similar language in private writings and letters, lamenting that the post-conciliar liturgy, in its implementation, became a "fabricated liturgy" detached from tradition, a break from th Church's organic growth, and a "devastation" rather than renewal..."
Correct. His official Papal teachings proclaimed that there is not any "contradiction between the two editions of the Roman Missal. In the history of the liturgy there is growth and progress, but no rupture."
"...it is clearly seen that the new Missal will certainly remain the ordinary Form of the Roman Rite..."
Pope Benedict XVI also praised the "spiritual richness and the theological depth of this Missal."
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Then, incredibly, in private, he contradicted supposedly official Church teaching in regard to the liturgical reform, including his official teachings in question.
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I will adhere to official Church teaching...including Pope Benedict XVI's official teachings in question.
In addition, I am happy to accept my bishop's liturgical-related teachings.
His teachings in question trump Pope Benedict XVI's supposed private denunciations of the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI/liturgical reform.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Wrong MT, the 2019 Pew survey found that a whopping 7 out of 10 Catholics believe that Holy Communion is only a symbol, which atheists would believe, only 3 out of 10 Catholics believe in transubstantiation. too. The 7 out of 10 are malformed by the Post Vatican II Church and Mass.
It is possible for the two missals to not contradict each other while the later one still being a banal, on-the-spot product of a committee of a few led by a liturgical, bureaucratic fraudster. Pope Benedict was a lot smarter than most any of us, so it's really beneath even MT to present bafflement at that point of Pope Benedict's thought. But MT will stoop...
Usually it's the SSPX and sedevacantists who want to say there's a contradiction, but as I've said before, the horseshoe theory applies to modern papal maximalists, in the mode of Mike Lewis and MT, and sides.
Nick
"sides" should be "sedes". Darn auto-correct.
Nick
Nick,
MT Suit and the All Highest K share a common trait - somehow knowing better than anyone else, including experts, or they know what another person is thinking on a topic. I still think they are the same person, using 2 different accounts. Both are tedious and bring nothing to the table.
Catholic teaching does not permit the preposterous notion that the reformed Missal is a banal, on-the-spot product of a committee of a few led by a liturgical, bureaucratic fraudster.
Pope Benedict XIV's official teachings do not permit such nonsense.
His supposed private trashing of the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI is of z-e-r-o value as compared to that which he, as well as additional Popes, had/have taught in regard to said Mass.
Pope Benedict XVI acknowledged that his opinions, such as when he authored the Jesus of Nazareth books, were not on par with his official Papal teachings.
Therefore, his upbeat, pro-Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI official teachings preclude the preposterous notion "that the reformed Missal is a banal, on-the-spot product of a committee of a few led by a liturgical, bureaucratic fraudster."
Again, if he offered that opinion privately...if he badmouthed said Mass privately...so what.
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Pope Saint John Paul II:
"With a view to the practical implementation of the Second Vatican Council’s Constitution Sacrosanctum Concilium on the Liturgy, Pope Paul VI instituted a Consilium later the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship and they carried out the task entrusted to them with generosity, competence and promptness."
"The reform of the rites and the liturgical books was undertaken immediately after the promulgation of the Constitution Sacrosanctum Concilium and was brought to an effective conclusion in a few years thanks to the considerable and selfless work of a large number of experts and bishops from all parts of the world.
"This work was undertaken in accordance with the conciliar principles of fidelity to tradition and openness to legitimate development; and so it is possible to say that the reform of the Liturgy is strictly traditional and in accordance with “the ancient usage of the holy Fathers”.
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"...the reform of the Liturgy is strictly traditional and in accordance with “the ancient usage of the holy Fathers."
Pax.
Mark Thomas
MT, you are unhinged and rigid. If Pope Benedict as pope and as a Cardinal held these personal opinions about the fabricated Mass of Bishop Bugnini, anyone can and there is no need for you demonize Pope Benedict or anyone else about it. Get over it. It is a manufactured Mass and fails in following what Vatican II’s Sacrosanctum Concilium mapped out. I side with Pope Benedict in his personal opinions about it and in his Summorum Pontificum.
Trad Inc. has maintained that it's impossible for the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul to enrich the TLM, as Pope Benedict XVI had maintained.
Such prominent Trad Inc. folks as Peter Kwasniewski, have long insisted that Pope Benedict XVI had promoted muddled, destructive liturgical-related thinking.
If the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI is liturgical poison, as Pope Benedict XVI believed deep down supposedly, then Pope Benedict XVI's notion that the "Novus Bogus" could enrich the TLM was absurd...even worse...faith-shattering.
The notion that the "Novus Bogus" would serve as the Latin Church's primary Mass is destructive and disgraceful...disgraceful and destructive that Pope Benedict XVI had subjected us to supposed liturgical poison.
Why did he do that to his spiritual children?
No wonder Trad Inc., as well as additional folks, have viewed Pope Benedict XVI's liturgical thinking/Summorum Pontificum as flawed and destructive.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Fine, Father McDonald.
Then the bottom line is that Pope Benedict XVI was aware that Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI was liturgical poison. Okay. Fine. You can not have it any other way.
Pope Benedict XVI celebrated a poisoned Mass repeatedly. Pope Benedict XVI foisted a poisoned Mass upon us. Pope Benedict XVI even foisted a poisoned Mass upon "traditionalists."
"Needless to say, in order to experience full communion, the priests of the communities adhering to the former usage cannot, as a matter of principle, exclude celebrating according to the new books.
"The total exclusion of the new rite would not in fact be consistent with the recognition of its value and holiness."
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The above is the undeniable reality for those who believe that Pope Benedict XVI had known supposedly that the reformed Mass was appalling and destructive.
You folks in question have portrayed Pope Benedict XVI in appalling fashion.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
"MT...there is no need for you demonize Pope Benedict..."
I have not demonized Pope Benedict XVI. Not remotely. Not even close.
I have defended him against claims that in two-faced fashion, he, as Pope, had praised officially the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI, only to have him contradict and reject behind closed doors his Magisterial liturgical-related teachings.
I am his defender.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Father McDonald, it is amazing that you have portrayed me as having demonized holy Pope Benedict XVI as you have acknowledged the following:
"Yes, while Pope Benedict XVI didn't say the Novus Ordo (Mass of Paul VI) was "fabricated" in an official document..."
You have confirmed that Pope Benedict XVI, as the Vicar of Christ, did not demonize the Holy Mass of Paul VI. It was just the opposite.
As Pope, he portrayed said Mass as holy...of profound spiritual benefit...in total line with the Roman Liturgical Tradition.
What he stated privately...supposedly...in regard to said Mass, far removed from his official capacity as Pope is...frankly...so what.
That is not meant in nasty fashion. It is to note simply that his opinions did not trump official Church teaching...teaching that he had insisted that we accept.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
You folks have done to Pope Benedict XVI that which you have done to Pope Francis (requiescat in pace), in regard to Traditionis Custodes.
That is you have claimed that Pope Francis had foisted upon us teachings that he had known supposedly were false.
In turn, you folks have portrayed Pope Benedict XVI as having foisted upon us a Mass that he had know supposedly was appalling, destructive...based upon falsehoods concocted by "Freemason" Monsignor Bugnini.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
This was what Pope Benedict believed and many others:
Fabricated Liturgy": In writings before and during his papacy, Cardinal Ratzinger (later Benedict XVI) criticized the way the new liturgy was introduced, describing it as a break from the past and a "fabricated" or "manufactured" liturgy, not a natural development.
Rupture with Tradition: He felt the new missal's presentation suggested a complete break, creating pain for the faithful rooted in the old rites, and that the Novus Ordo itself sometimes bore responsibility for this.
Never Abrogated TLM: In his 2007 Summorum Pontificum, Benedict emphasized that the 1962 Missal (the TLM) was "never juridically abrogated," meaning it was always permissible, contrasting with the Novus Ordo's problematic introduction.
Desire for Unity: He aimed for a mutual enrichment between the two forms, wanting the new Mass to better show the sacrality that drew people to the old form, viewing the TLM as a treasure, not an error.
In essence, Benedict XVI viewed the Novus Ordo's implementation as a flawed, fabricated product, contrasting it with the continuous, organic development of the older rites, which he affirmed as never having been truly suppressed.
Pope Leo could have easily substituted the TLM for the east:
The Church needs you. The contribution that the TLM can offer us today is immense! We have great need to recover the sense of mystery that remains alive in the TLM liturgies, liturgies that engage the human person in his or her entirety, that sing of the beauty of salvation and evoke a sense of wonder at how God’s majesty embraces our human frailty! It is likewise important to rediscover, especially in the Novus Disorder a sense of the primacy of God, the importance of mystagogy and the values so typical of TLM spirituality: constant intercession, penance, fasting, and weeping for one’s own sins and for those of all humanity (penthos)! It is vital, then, that you preserve your traditions without attenuating them, for the sake perhaps of practicality or convenience, lest they be corrupted by the mentality of consumerism and utilitarianism.
Father McDonald, Joseph Ratzinger, in private, had contradicted (if your are correct that he believed that the -Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI represented, appalling, banal, fabricated liturgy) his Magisterial teachings in regard to the reformed Mass.
But...okay. That was his opinion.
Pope Saint John Paul II taught differently.
"...Pope Paul VI instituted a Consilium later the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship and they carried out the task entrusted to them with generosity, competence and promptness."
"This work was undertaken in accordance with the conciliar principles of fidelity to tradition and openness to legitimate development; and so it is possible to say that the reform of the Liturgy is strictly traditional and in accordance with “the ancient usage of the holy Fathers”.
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That is in line with that which holy Popes Saint Paul VI, Blessed John Paul I, Saint John Paul II, as well as Francis (requiescat in pace) had taught.
Do Joseph Ratzinger's opinions in question cancel the above-mentioned Popes in regard to their teaching in question?
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Father McDonald, thank you, as always, for the privilege to participate on your important blog.
Peace be with you.
Happy (almost) New Year! :-)
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Father McDonald said..."Pope Leo could have easily substituted the TLM for the east:"
His Holiness could have even substituted the following from Pope Benedict XVI...also in line with Pope Francis' (requiescat in pace) thinking:
"The most sure guarantee that the Missal of Paul VI can unite parish communities and be loved by them consists in its being celebrated with great reverence in harmony with the liturgical directives.
"This will bring out the spiritual richness and the theological depth of this Missal."
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Pope Leo XIV declared as "complicated" the liturgical situation in question.
However, adherence to Holy Mother Church's liturgical directives would do wonders to improve the state of Latin Church liturgy, as Popes Benedict XVI, as well as Francis, had made clear.
For that matter, there is Pope Leo XIV's proposal — that "trads" embrace the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI. Pope Leo XIV's proposal in question reflected the following from Pope Francis:
"Whoever wishes to celebrate with devotion according to earlier forms of the liturgy can find in the reformed Roman Missal according to Vatican Council II all the elements of the Roman Rite, in particular the Roman Canon which constitutes one of its more distinctive elements."
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Money quote:
MT you are unhinged and rigid
Amen!
Unhinged indeed. And no one here claimed the NO was “poisoned” “appalling” “destructive.” MT is dishonestly abusing rhetoric in his straw-grasping.
As I stated above, Pope Benedict didn’t necessarily contradict himself. MT’s position would have him suffering papacy-induced schizophrenia; thankfully, MT’s position is not well-founded.
Though I’ll note i never intended to cause such an unhinged comment meltdown, let alone by (1) quoting Ratzinger (apparently appalling of me! Lord save and preserve us!) and (2) mentioning the historical fact that Bugnini repeatedly lied to Paul VI to have his way in creating the new liturgy. And the delusions continue, this time of petty grandeur: “I am his defender!” Really?
Nick
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