The National catholic Reporter prints the AP story about the Vatican allowing Cardinal Burke to celebrate a Solemn Sung High Mass at the Altar of the Chair in Saint Peter’s as a part of the Summorum Pontificum pilgrimage in October…the Summorum Pontificum Pilgrimage…
Money byte:
Leo has said his aim is unity and reconciliation in the church, and many conservatives and traditionalists have urged him to heal the liturgical divisions that spread over the Latin Mass, especially in the United States, during Francis' 12-year papacy.
Una Voce International, a federation of groups that promote the Latin Mass, is organizing the pilgrimage to Rome. In a statement, it said the green light for Burke to celebrate the Mass in the heart of the Vatican "is the first concrete indication of the attitude of Pope Leo XIV to the Traditional Mass."
Here is the full AP news story by way of the NcR:
16 comments:
Fair enough compromise if it means Burke calls off the attack wolves
There are TLM haters among left-wing Catholics. But I doubt that the left's reaction to the TLM Mass in question will rival the right's mind-boggling, beyond gut-wrenching reaction, to the audience granted to Father Martin /the supposed Abomination of Desolation Mass.
The right spewed venom at Father Martin. But it has been Pope Leo XIV who has been beaten beyond recognition. Anyway, in regard to the scheduled TLM in question:
Will reactions from the left rival, for example, the following from Michael Matt:
"The LGBT group La Tenda di Gionata makes their entrance into St. Peter's Basilica...this the New Church...abomination of desolation in the Holy Place..."
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Compared to additional right-wing reactions in question, the above is mild.
There are examples of foul, obscene, right-wing denunciations of Pope Leo XIV/Father Martin that are bone-chilling.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
MT Suit thanks for outing yourself
"it has been Pope Leo XIV who has been beaten beyond recognition"
Your rhetorical swoops are really getting nauseating, and you give the Twitterati far too much credit.
Will reactions from the left rival, for example, the following from Michael Matt:
"The LGBT group La Tenda di Gionata makes their entrance into St. Peter's Basilica...this the New Church...abomination of desolation in the Holy Place..."
Maybe if Cardinal Burke's vestments read "F*CK THE RULES"
"There are examples of foul, obscene, right-wing denunciations of Pope Leo XIV/Father Martin that are bone-chilling."
This is true of what some Catholics have to say about traditionalist types. Only the other day Mike Lewis called Cardinal Burke a drag queen for wearing the vestments prescribed for a cardinal in the TLM.
I would say more, but I'm not nearly as obsessed with storing up others' venom to spew on this blog as you seem to be.
Nick
https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/could-leo-take-a-vatican-ii-approach
Only the other day Mike Lewis called Cardinal Burke a drag queen for wearing the vestments prescribed for a cardinal in the TLM.
I think that’s hilarious. Nothing so funny as the truth. He does look ridiculous in the Capps magna. It’s antiquated and unnecessary for a TLM.
Wow BB! You are so capaphobic—will they lock you up in the UK for that?
benny,
You continue to demonstrate the small-mindedness and "charity" of 1970s Supremacists.
Many things in our liturgy are antiquated and unnecessary. But what is prescribed is prescribed, and not to be discarded just because some flip, shallow blog commenter thinks it's ridiculous.
Nick
Many things in our liturgy are antiquated and unnecessary. But what is prescribed is prescribed, and not to be discarded just because some flip, shallow blog commenter thinks it's ridiculous
Total nonsense otherwise we’d still be celebrating the Eucharist in exactly the same manner as the early Christians. And anyway the Cappa is external to the Eucharist. It’s not worn during mass.
Non-essentials can and should be re-evaluated according to the cultural / sociological and other contexts. The meaning of things change according to time. Dressing a cardinal like a medieval prince(ess) / drag queen is no longer appropriate.
"Total nonsense otherwise we’d still be celebrating the Eucharist in exactly the same manner as the early Christians."
Non sequitur.
"And anyway the Cappa is external to the Eucharist. It’s not worn during mass."
Where did I say anything about just the Mass? The Church's liturgy is more than the Ordo Missae.
"Non-essentials can and should be re-evaluated according to the cultural / sociological and other contexts."
Oh goody, this tired old bit that was the justification for Mass on the living room coffee table with Father "just call me Bob" wearing his Hawaiian shirt.
benny, you're showing yourself to be a bit of a weirdo. The Eternal 1975 is over. If you can't accept that, fine, but that doesn't mean everyone agrees with your weird ideas and obsessions.
Nick
Nick,
I certainly don’t live in the 1970’s by any means, indeed I was barely born then but you still seem to live in the 1500s.
Princely dress may have been appropriate during Christendom when the church and pope had political interests but has very different connotations in the modern context.
Strictly speaking the Cappa wasn’t liturgical attire but prelatial dress signifying authority used for processions. As such it could be worn in choir but never during the celebration of the sacraments.
I don’t think my opinion is wierd. Ask 99% of Catholics and I think you’ll find they agree - you’re the outlier!
"As such it could be worn in choir"
...meaning it's liturgical attire.
"Ask 99% of Catholics and I think you'll find they agree"
If I can find any Catholic I know who thinks wearing a cappa magna makes the wearer a drag queen or trans, I'll let you know.
Nick
Ok but only in the same way that a cassock can be streetwear or used liturgically with a surplice. And I suppose on that point - it’s not prescribed at all, it’s optional.
The 1969 instruction from The Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church states that the cappa magna is "no longer obligatory" and can only be used outside of Rome for very special circumstances.
Most catholics (lay and religious) would think it’s over the top, although might not describe why in such a blunt way!
"The 1969 instruction from The Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church states that the cappa magna is "no longer obligatory" and can only be used outside of Rome for very special circumstances."
Celebrations of the TLM and associated liturgies are generally required to follow the rubrics as existed in 1962, though some may follow specific permissions for, say, implementing some changes (e.g., Fontgombault follows some of the 1965 reforms at its conventual Masses) or allowing celebration of the pre-1955 Holy Week.
Nick
The Capps manga isn’t regulated by the liturgical rubrics but by instructions on clerical attire. Arguably therefore the instruction applies as much to the TLM as the reformed rite.
The pre-1955 Holy Week ceremonies are suppressed by TC, and never had official insults for celebration. Eclessia Dei turned a blind eye but they were never authorised.
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