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Sunday, September 21, 2025

FIVE POINTS TO RATE YOUR POPE LEO'S INTERVIEW WITH CRUX BY UK'S "THE CATHOLIC HERALD"! WE HAVE A NEW SUPREME PONTIFF WHO IS A 10!


The Catholic Herald of the UK has a commentary on Pope Leo's Crux interview. You can read it HERE.

Here are FIVE POINTED money bytes from their commentary:

Pope Leo has given an interview to Crux, and revealed his mind. But the exercise to read his mind needs a little code-breaking.

The news is good. It’s more than good. It’s excellent: the Pope is a Catholic. 

Traditional Latin Mass  

1.  Synodality could mean so many things. Pope Francis allowed it to be used as a platform to justify changing the teaching of the Church. Pope Leo is going to use it to allow the Church to be reminded of the teaching and the need of the Church.

What will happen if “we sit down and talk about" the Latin Mass? The Church will articulate the position that was always true BF (Before Francis). The bishops whom Francis consulted will be able to tell the truth about what they really said. The evidence that the TLM is the antidote to the loss of enchantment will get a hearing. The few diehard Novus Ordo fanatics will be shown to be the tiny minority of late modernity pensioners, stuck in a kind of time-warp shaped by John Lennon and E.E. Cummings. 

Women 

2.  There are parts of the world that never really promoted the permanent deaconate, and that itself became a question: Why would we talk about ordaining women to the diaconate if the diaconate itself is not yet properly understood and properly developed and promoted within the Church?

The Pope added: “I also wonder, in terms of a comment I made at one of the press conferences I participated in in the synod, in terms of what has oftentimes been identified as clericalism in the present structures of the Church. Would we simply be wanting to invite women to become clericalised, and what has that really solved?”

The defusing of the feminist assault is achieved with the simple innocence of asking a prior question: “How do we avoid more clericalism?”

 LGBTQ++++++++++++++++++

3. He has thought carefully and strategically about this. What he does each time it to dismantle the secular platform that the heterodox question has had built for it.

Here, he turns to the strategy of St Paul in Ephesians 3. Christians don’t have adjective. There is no such thing as a “gay” Christian. Just a baptised Christian who hands their sexuality over to Christ to mend, heal and direct it.

How does he implement this in the conversation. First, the unattributed anecdote which firms up one’s own position.

“I recall something that a cardinal from the eastern part of the world said to me before I was Pope, about ‘the western world is fixated, obsessed with sexuality’. A person’s identity, for some people, is all about sexual identity, and for many people in other parts of the world, that’s not a primary issue in terms of how we should deal with one another.  

“What I’m trying to say is what Francis said very clearly when he would say, ‘todos, todos, todos’. Everyone’s invited in.”

But whereas Pope Francis offered no caveat, no conditionality – hence his words were certainly heard to be the unconditional welcome of therapeutically driven relativism – Pope Leo slips in a little religious language which has the effect of reversing the meaning of what Pope Francis said.

“But I don’t invite a person in because they are or are not of any specific identity,” Pope Leo says. “I invite a person in because they are a son or daughter of God.”

You don’t come in defining yourself as a gay, bisexual or trans person and requiring everyone to accept you as you present yourself. You come in as a created person in need of redemption. If being the son or daughter of God means anything, it means the transformation of secular categorisations in the pursuit of holiness. 

 Fiducia Supplicans

4.  And then in another puncturing of the progressive campaign, which is as elegant as it is swift, he once more reverses what Pope Francis intended by giving priority to the teaching of the Church instead of undermining it with ambiguity. He prioritises marriage and then goes on to consider gay blessings.

“In Northern Europe they are already publishing rituals of blessing ‘people who love one another’, is the way they express it, which goes specifically against the document that Pope Francis approved, Fiducia Supplicans, which basically says, of course we can bless all people, but it doesn’t look for a way of ritualising some kind of blessing because that’s not what the Church teaches."

When “what the Church teaches” is given the prior interpretative leverage it ought always to have had, the dragon of ambiguity is slain. 

Conclusion: Prayer & Mystery! 

5. He ends with a plea to talk about the Latin Mass as a door to prayer and mystery, not as a political tool. Breaking the code, it was the progressives who made it political. The devotees of the Latin Mass wanted prayer and mystery.

The arguments, he surmises, were “not helpful for people who were looking for a deeper experience of prayer, of contact with the mystery of faith that they seemed to find in the celebration of the Tridentine Mass”.

Pope Leo does not need to reverse the work of his predecessor. He will let a synodality that invokes the Magisterium do that.

 

 

 

 

20 comments:

Mark Thomas said...

I am not surprised that Gavin Ashenden employed Pope Leo XIV's interview to attack Pope Francis (requiescat in pace). Mister Ashenden has a history of having spewed venom at Pope Francis.

In regard to Gavin Ashenden's latest misrepresentation of Pope Francis:

"Synodality could mean so many things. Pope Francis allowed it to be used as a platform to justify changing the teaching of the Church. Pope Leo is going to use it to allow the Church to be reminded of the teaching and the need of the Church."

(False. As Pope Leo XIV has made clear, Pope Francis had presented Synodality in orthodox fashion.)

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"What will happen if “we sit down and talk about" the Latin Mass? The bishops whom Francis consulted will be able to tell the truth about what they really said."

(Pope Francis had told the truth in regard to "what they (bishops) really said.")

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LGBTQ+

Pope Leo XIV: “What I’m trying to say is what Francis said very clearly when he would say, ‘todos, todos, todos’. Everyone’s invited in. ”

Gavin Ashenden: "But whereas Pope Francis offered no caveat, no conditionality – hence his words were certainly heard to be the unconditional welcome of therapeutically driven relativism – Pope Leo slips in a little religious language which has the effect of reversing the meaning of what Pope Francis said."

(Utter nonsense. Pope Francis had insisted that that the sinner guilty of sodomy needed to have sought the Lord, confessed, reformed one's life...the process required of any sinner. The following from Pope Leo XIV applied to Pope F
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“But I don’t invite a person in because they are or are not of any specific identity,” Pope Leo says. “I invite a person in because they are a son or daughter of God.”

You don’t come in defining yourself as a gay, bisexual or trans person and requiring everyone to accept you as you present yourself. You come in as a created person in need of redemption. If being the son or daughter of God means anything, it means the transformation of secular categorisations in the pursuit of holiness.

Fiducia Supplicans

4. And then in another puncturing of the progressive campaign, which is as elegant as it is swift, he once more reverses what Pope Francis intended by giving priority to the teaching of the Church instead of undermining it with ambiguity. He prioritises marriage and then goes on to consider gay blessings.

Mark Thomas said...

Sorry, I had pressed "Publish" too early.

The following from Pope Leo XIV applied to Pope Francis: “But I don’t invite a person in because they are or are not of any specific identity. I invite a person in because they are a son or daughter of God.”

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Fiducia Supplicans

Gavin Ashenden: "And then in another puncturing of the progressive campaign, which is as elegant as it is swift, he once more reverses what Pope Francis intended by giving priority to the teaching of the Church instead of undermining it with ambiguity. He prioritises marriage and then goes on to consider gay blessings."

Pope Leo XIV: “In Northern Europe they are already publishing rituals of blessing ‘people who love one another’, is the way they express it, which goes specifically against the document that Pope Francis approved, Fiducia Supplicans..."

His Holiness has made it clear that Fiducia Supplicans is orthodox. He has made it clear that said document is not "ambiguous," as Gavin Ashenden has claimed.

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Gavin Ashenden has failed to crack the supposed "coded" replies that Pope Leo XIV had provided to Elsie Ann Allen.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

I take it, MT, that you prefer Pope Francis’ papacy to Pope Leo’s. That’s okay. To each his own.

monkmcg said...

I was interested to see that, wrt LGBTQ issues, he said we have to talk about changing attitudes before we talk about changing doctrine (or similar words). This is interesting as it could mean a number of things. The most obvious is a need to change attitudes. But even this has two meanings. It could mean that he is aware that most Catholics support the LGBTQ movement in all things (marriage, eucharist...). Both laity and clergy, large majorities seem quite content to overlook both Scripture and Tradition in this regard. So; yes - this attitude needs to change and would entail no need to change doctrine. On the other hand, the pope's statement could mean that he is completely out of touch with the prevailing attitude of most Catholics.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

Thanks Monkmcg. I’ve been thinking about exactly what you wrote. Of course Pope Leo has to know that most Catholics in the west, like Jesuitical Father James Martin, have been cooked in the crockpot of LGBTQ+++ ideologies and are quite accepting of not only the sinner, as we should be as good practicing Catholics, but of the sin. We now let sin define us rather than God grace that directs our lives. And of course, the Church teaches that one’s orientation isn’t the sin but acting on disordered affections-that’s the sin. But all sin if forgiveable. Or Pope Leo could speak about the Africans who have civil laws against homosexuals, meaning their behavior, not their status. Thus, we see where the pope needs to be super clear about what he is teaching so that none of us is jumping to conclusions. But changing attitudes about Church teaching in the area of morality, which includes not only sexuality, but social justice, war and peace, economic justice and the like needs to take place—that seem to me to be the most logical interpretation. But I pray Pope Leo is abundantly clear so that the likes of Jesuitical Father James Martin, SJ doesn’t instrumentalize what isn’t quite clear to his own twisted desires for change in Church teachings as it concerns homosexual sex and partnerships.

big benny said...

Most catholics accept being gay is a normal variant of sexuality, at least in the west and asia. Africa was also more tolerant until colonised

Church teaching is clear, sexual orientation in itself is not sinful

Most heterosexuals are not virgins at marriage and/or have cohabitated beforehand yet we don’t castigate the whole category as sinful by default

The Vatican has already signed a declaration that homosexuality should not be criminalised. One reason being that such laws are a pretext to victimise individuals and encourage violence / blackmail etc. Just look at Russia

Leo has already given support to Martin’s LGBT ministry. My gut feeling is when he says we need to change attitudes it’s in regard to greater acceptance with discussions including input from experts regarding scientific advances in our understanding of human sexuality to inform/ develop church teaching / pastoral policy - but I might be wrong

Synodity is the forum for these discussions which involves listening and not approaching discussions with fixed solutions

You can tell I was a Francis fan, although I’m very happy with Leo!

Nick said...

"Most heterosexuals are not virgins at marriage and/or have cohabitated beforehand yet we don’t castigate the whole category as sinful by default"

There isn't an F in the ever-growing LGBTetc. acronym clamoring that they be accepted as they are.

Nick

big benny said...

The one thing Leo has that Francis didn’t is relative youth allowing him to take him time. Perhaps if Francis was elected instead of Benedict we would have seen a different papacy but maybe not!

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Mark Thomas said...

Father McDonald, I prefer that Gavin Ashenden curb his propensity to spew venom/misrepresentation at Pope Francis (requiescat in pace).

Here is a recent example of Gavin Ashenden having trampled Pope Francis' good name:

Just a few days ago, Gavin Ashenden interviewed Michael Matt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp0S5Gw4A10

-- "Michael Matt, editor of the Remnant Newspaper talks with Gavin Ashenden about the struggle for the soul of the Catholic Church & the Catholic Identity Conference."

Gavin Ashenden had served as speaker at Michael Matt's/The Remnant's 2024 A.D. radtrad Catholic Identity Conference. Gavin Ashenden is scheduled to address this year's radtrad Catholic Identity Conference.

In regard to the recent video/interview in question: From the 20:45 mark to 30:45 mark, Gavin Ashenden trashed Pope Francis. Gavin Ashenden insisted that Pope Francis was a rotten, hateful man.

Michael Matt's offrered that Pope Francis was "diabolical," as well as a "modernist."

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Given all of the above in regard to Gavin Ashenden...and in regard to Pope Leo XIV's interview in question:

There is not any wonder as to why Gavin Ashenden would have us believe that via Pope Leo XIV's interview, His Holiness had employed coded responses to trample Pope Francis.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

monkmcg said...

It is true that most heterosexual Catholics are fornicating. But the Vatican is not flying flags and have special masses for that sin. The church does not classify orientation as a sin, but as disordered -not as normal.

big benny said...

Heterosexuals don’t have to fly flags and march for recognition because it’s automatic.
- The LGBT masses are not about sin and you shouldn’t presume LGbT persons are fornicating beyond that we’re all sinners which is a matter between the individual and their confessor.
- The church’s philosophical descriptor of disordered doesn’t mean ‘not normal’ just that they are not orientated towards procreation (which many heterosexuals acts are not either).

Many (if not most) heterosexuals engage in oral and mastubatory sex which also comes under the biblical term sodomy (as well as bestiality). Yet we don’t call them sodomites.

The term is derogatory / inaccurate and not helpful so should be avoided.

Certain groups argue that LGBT define themselves by their sexuality yet that is exactly what you do by using sodomy. However, you presume that they are sexually active whereas this may not necessarily be the case.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

If BB, we take your logic to its conclusion, we shouldn’t call anyone sinners either. We shouldn’t call adulterers, adulterers. We shouldn’t call fornicators, fornicators. We shouldn’t call sodomites, sodomites. We should call those who have too many children people screwing like rabbits. Or those with same sex attractions faggots. But people do use names, derogatory or not. Apart from heterodox heterosexuals instrumentalizing the LGBTQ+++worldwide colonizing of everyone with its ideologies, for the sake of overturning Humanae Vitae and all of the Church teachings about sexual immorality, you don’t see heterosexual heterodox Catholics organized in such a way as to get what they want in terms of making normal their sexual immorality.

Fr. Allan J. McDonald said...

And yes, you are correct. Sodomites are not just homosexual, they are also heterosexuals and those with disorders which confuse their gender identity as being something different than the male and female biological/dna identity God gave them before they were even conceived, only a thought in God’s mind.

Nick said...

(trying some censoring as my comment wouldn't submit as is)

"Het*rosexuals don’t have to fly flags and march for recognition because it’s automatic."

What's automatic? That their behavior was also sinful and that isn't going to change?

"Many (if not most) heterosexuals engage in or*l and mast*rbatory sex which also comes under the biblical term s*domy (as well as b*stiality). Yet we don’t call them s*domites. The term is derogatory / inaccurate and not helpful so should be avoided."

Not sure where you got "b*stiality" from. In any event, maybe it's because we have other terms for such specific sins. And name me the last time the Church called anyone engaging in s*domy "s*domites."

"Certain groups argue that LGBT define themselves by their sexuality yet that is exactly what you do by using s*domy."

Calling a specific act by its name does not "define anyone by their s*xuality." You seem to be the one presuming they are s*xually active, if you think so--perhaps this is a Freudian slip of the silly rhetorical jigger-pokery you're using to mask what this whole debate is about? And as Father AJM notes, the conclusion of your logic is simply amoralism, antinomianism, even anomianism.

"you presume that they are sexually active whereas this may not necessarily be the case."

The median number of sexual partners for men is 6.3; 4.3 for women. Not sure about somewhere-in-betweens. While s*xual activity is not necessarily the case for any given person, to pretend (much less actually believe! I hope for your sake that this is indeed just rhetorical jiggery-pokery) that LGBTQ people are agitating for Church teaching to change to allow them to be close platonic friends with people of the same sex is nonsensical.

Nick

big benny said...

I suspect the median number of sexual partners is much much higher, especially among the young. The thing to remember is that’s the number reported is reliant upon self-reports since there’s no way to reliably validate the reports. Women in particular may under report for fear of being perceived as promiscuous or the derogatory “sl*gs” as we say in English. Whereas the perception towards men would be “stags” (positive).

My point above is we are all sinners and heterosexuals/ homosexuals may or may not be engaged in sexual sins yet we don’t automatically label heterosexuals as being engaged in sexual sins. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

big benny said...

Sodomy refers to non-procreative sexual acts, primarily anal or oral intercourse, but can also include zoophilia (sexual acts with animals). Historically, sodomy laws criminalized these behaviors, though the term originates from the biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah. While many sodomy laws have been repealed, the term can also refer to "crimes against nature".
Definition and Scope
Sexual Acts: Sodomy specifically describes sexual acts that do not involve penetration of the vagina and penis with the purpose of procreation. This includes:
Anal sex: or anal intercourse.
Oral sex: or oral intercourse.
Zoophilia: Sexual acts with animals, which is sometimes included under the umbrella of sodomy.

Nick said...

"heterosexuals/ homosexuals may or may not be engaged in sexual sins yet we don’t automatically label heterosexuals as being engaged in sexual sins"

Neither do we with people who are same-sex attracted. I'm not sure why you keep barking up this true, there's no squirrel up there.

Nick

big benny said...

The thing is LGBT as a group are labelled as sinners, or the derogatory term sodomites.

Nick said...

I ask again, by whom? When, where, in what context?

Nick