REJECTION OF CERTAIN CATHOLIC DOCTRINES AND DOGMAS BY VETUS ORDO GOERS AND BUGNINI ORDO GOERS—WHICH GROUP IS WORSE?

Traditionis Custodis and others have stated that the TLM or Vetus Ordo needed to be and must be suppressed because Vetus Ordo goers reject Vatican II and the Bugnini Ordo. 

We really don’t know how many would be in align with the SSPX or even Sedevacanists, but they are a small minority, although perhaps the majority of Vetus Ordo goers question or reject some of the pastoral positions put forward by Vatican II while certainly accepting all the dogmas and defined doctrines of the Church of all her ecumenical councils. 

But let’s talk about attitudes and beliefs of Vetus Ordo goers and Bugnini Ordo goers. Keep in mind that there are far more Bugnini Mass goers than Vetus Ordo goers:

Vetus Ordo goers:

1. They believe the Mass as Sacrifice and that the Bread and Wine become truly the Real Presence of the Crucified and Risen Lord. They accept the dogma of Transubstantiation

2. They believe you need to be in a state of grace to receive Holy Communion and they go the Confession frequently, perhaps even weekly.

3. They are pro-life from conception through death, but make exceptions for the use of the death penalty for heinous crimes.

4. They don’t like ecumenism, a pastoral position of Vatican II

5. They don’t like how priests manipulate and distort and commit liturgical abuses with the Bugnini Ordo of the Mass—most appreciate a well celebrated Bugnini Mass but with the propers and following the relaxed rubrics scrupulously

6. They scrupulously believe in the all male priesthood and that marriage is between one man and one woman for a lifetime when valid.

7. They wholeheartedly accept Humanae Vitae, a post Vatican II encylical by St. Pope Paul VI

8. They don’t believe same sex couples or those in invalid marriages should be blessed as a couple because they believe in the sexual moral teachings of the Church and the call to  chastity, thus they reject Fiducia Supplicans

9. they hate, absolutely hate,  Traditionis Custodis and had a disdain for Pope Francis who they believe canceled Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI

10. They want to be a part of the inclusivity that Pope Francis proclaimed, todas, todas, todas 

Bugnini Ordo goers:

1. They don’t believe the Mass is a sacrifice but rather a convivial meal, a kumbaya approach emphasizing the horizontal (fellowship) rather than the vertical (God). 

2. They believe that Holy Communion is a symbol of Christ, thus they reject transubstantiation 

3.They don’t go to Confession regularly if ever and receive Holy Communion no matter what kinds of mortal sins they have committed, even if they are living in sin every time they attend Mass even if once or twice a year

4. They are pro-choice but dead set against the death penalty

5. They want women or whatever gender is claimed, to be ordained to Holy Orders and all three degrees, bishop, priest and deacon. They pray that a woman will become pope one day and see the lady Archbishop of Canterbury as a sign of the future for the Roman Church

6. They want to change the anthropology of the Church and her sacraments to allow for the Sacrament of Marriage and Holy Orders to embrace all kinds of configurations and claimed genders, even polygamy of whatever kind. They fully endorse all that the Democrat Party believes, teaches and proclaims to be revealed by God including Abortion as a sacrament on demand and all that the LGBTQ+++ ideologues promote

7.They glory in liturgical abuses, creativity and manipulation of the Bugnini Mass and hate the pre-Vatican II Church and Mass, hate it!

8. They love ecumenism and interfaith relations and want anyone no matter what religion, baptized or not, to be included in any Mass they attend and receive Holy Communion

9. It doesn’t matter what religion you are and even as a Catholic they will receive Communion in Protestant sects and see no problem with Catholics joining any sects, especially the non-denominationals. 

10. They reject Humanae Vitae and most of the papal magisteriums of St. Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict 

So many Bugnini Ordo goers want to cancel Vetus Ordo goers because they perceive them as rejecting the Bugnini Mass and all that is liberal and progressive in the Church. But in reality it is the Bugnini Mass goers that pose the greatest threat to the Church in terms of orthodoxy in kind and number.