BOMBSHELL! 💣
In addition to Pope Leo’s bombshell pastoral solution, you can read a great interview with Cardinal Eijk who recently celebrated His Eminence’s first Solemn Pontifical Mass in the Ancient Ordo! More bishops need to learn this and experience what His Eminence describes.
You can read the interview HERE!
UPDATE: Vatican News report:
Liturgy and the Tridentine Mass
Finally, the Pope addressed an issue to which he is “particularly attentive”: the growing number of communities attached to the Vetus Ordo (the celebration of the Mass in Latin according to the liturgy in use before the Second Vatican Council).
In this regard, Pope Leo XIV expressed concern that this situation could open “a painful wound within the Church regarding the celebration of the Mass,” which he described as “the very sacrament of unity.”
If the Church is a mother who cares for her children, he said, she must heal wounds and learn to look upon others “with renewed understanding and greater sensitivity."
He therefore invites the Bishops, with the help of the Holy Spirit, to seek “concrete solutions” that will generously include those sincerely attached to the Vetus Ordo, while remaining faithful to the directions of the Second Vatican Council.
A COMMUNIQUE FROM THE POPE TO FRENCH BISHOPS: BASICALLY WHAT POPE LEO IS SAYING IS WHAT I’VE BEEN SAYING FOREVERRR…IT’S NOT EITHER/OR BUT BOTH/AND. I AM CONVINCED THAT POPE LEO READS MY BLOG, OR MAYBE NOT:
BYW, THIS IS WHAT “PASTORAL” LOOKS LIKE IN TERMS OF PAPAL MINISTRY:
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Rx: Restore Summorum Pontificum!
Well, this makes clear he’s not Francis II!
The impulse of what Pope Leo is saying is basically Summirom PONTIFICUM meaning pastoral sensitivity to what was held sacred in the past as being sacred today but not denying Vatican II’ s desire for the liturgy. Thus regarding SP, two forms of the Roman Rite, the normal, regular, normative Vatican II rite, Ordinary Form, and the out of the norm, Extraordinary Form. Benedict as Leo wanted inner healing in the Church. Pope Leo’s words indicate he’s on the same page with SP.
Cue word vomit about "but but but Pope Leo told those vile, trashing trads to attend the Novus Ordo in Latin"
Nick
MT Suit must be in mourning that his beloved Golden Calf has been rebuked by the Holy, Most Saintly Oracle of God, Pope Leo!!!
I'm waiting for Nutso to appear here too!
Pope Leo XIV has demonstrated that he shares Pope Francis' (requiescat in pace) holy determination care pastorally for his spiritual children who worship via the TLM.
Also, in continuity with Pope Francis, Pope Leo XIV reiterated that the Church will remain attached to "the orientations set forth by the Second Vatican Council regarding the Liturgy."
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Pope Leo XIV has, in continuity with Pope Francis, expressed the holy desire to forge liturgical peace within the (Latin) Church.
At least in regard to "traditional" Catholics, the hope that liturgical peace is possible is found with the following:
Question: "Do you think that young Catholics today look at this "liturgical quarrel" differently? The 18-to-35 generation and the newly baptized, for example, seem far more relaxed on the subject…"
Abbot Kemlin: "Yes, absolutely! We see today how easily they move from one rite to another, with no difficulty in welcoming one another.
"Most of them pray just as easily at Paray-le-Monial, at Taizé, or on the Chartres Pilgrimage.
"It is a beautiful example set for us, one that can soften our hearts."
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Peter Kwasniewski two days ago trashed Abbot Kemlin's above hopeful statement. Mister Kwasniewski has promoted the that such liturgical tolerance among young "traditional" Catholics is preposterous. Young trads are as radtrad supposedly as they come.
There are radtrads on Father McDonald's blog who have echoed proudly Peter Kwasniewski's notion that young trad Catholics hate the Council...hate the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI.
But I hope that Abbot Kemlin, as well as additional folks, are correct in that an increasing amount of young "traditional" Catholics look favorably upon the Holy Mass of Pope Saint Paul VI.
That outlook among young "traditional" Catholics, rather than radtrad-ism, is the only holy and rational future for the TLM Movement.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
"Cue word vomit about "but but but Pope Leo told those vile, trashing trads to attend the Novus Ordo in Latin"
Nick, do you favor, or oppose, Pope Leo XIV's offer to "vile, trashing trads" (your words) to experience Latin Church liturgy via "the Novus Ordo in Latin"?
Pope Leo XIV:
"Well, you can say the Latin Mass right now. If it is the rite of Vatican II, the Mass of Paul VI, there is no problem...if we celebrate the Vatican II liturgy correctly, do you really find such a difference between this experience and that one (TLM)?’”
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Pope Leo is in line with Pope Benedict and Summorum Pontificum’s rational, neither of whom denied Vatican II reforms but neither the Vetus Ordo. Pope Francis canceled not only SP but also Pope Benedict XVI. Pope Leo isn’t like Pope Francis in personality or pastoral care, he is Pope Benedict XVII! Praise God and His Holy Spirit for correcting Pope Francis and resetting the Church after Francis disastrous papacy as Cardinal Pell and others declared. Pell is a saint.
MT Suit,
This is the last time I address you. You come across as abysmally ignorant, puerile, and lacking in common sense. You certain know nothing about the Catholic Faith worth sharing. I can see why other websites have banned you from posting. You hijack fine websites and turn them into your cesspool.
Father McDonald, you promote the narrative that Pope Francis' (requiescat in pace) Pontificate was "disastrous".
In regard to Pope Francis: I promote the following narrative advanced by holy Pope Leo XIV:
"His prophetic voice, pastoral style and rich magisterium have marked the Church’s journey in recent years, encouraging us above all to place God’s mercy at the center, to give renewed impetus to evangelization, and to be a joyful Church, welcoming to all and attentive to the poorest...
"...The whole world gathered around his coffin on the day of his funeral, and sensed the loss of a father who had guided the People of God with immense pastoral charity."
Pax.
Mark Thomas
— Pope Leo XIV:
"During Mass, I strongly felt the spiritual presence of Pope Francis accompanying us from heaven."
I did not say that, Cardinal Pell said it and he was honest and knows first hand what we don’t!
MT,
I have to think you are either stupid or mendacious. Those are your words, MT. Yours. I cobbled together some of your more tired hysterics to form that quote… hence the quotation marks.
I would've thought you, of all people, would know how quotation marks are used.
Do you read your own comments before you post? Or do the words just sliiide right off once you’ve hit ctrl-V?
It is also either stupid or mendacious to claim that this most recent message expresses the same idea as “just go to the Latin Novus Ordo” or the Tremendous Oracle’s mendacious and stupid Traditionis Custodes. I’m sure Andrea Grillo will post something through his tears, but the man is not known for letting his intelligence hide his obvious contempt for the wrong sort of Catholic.
You also implicitly accuse the likes of Bishop Varden (you know, did the Pope’s Lenten retreat) of making vile attacks on Vatican II—he, too, believes that young people today have moved on from Vatican II. Is he a schismatic, too? This isn’t the first time you’ve done it, nor is this the first time I’ve pointed it out.
I’m not joking. I try not to attribute malice where incompetence suffices as an explanation, as the maxim goes, but those are the only two explanations I have for your constant inability to see past your own nose in your copy-paste bonanzas. Enough.
And I thought you were going to stop responding to my comments after you realized you still refused to retract your libel of me?
Nick
MT,
Apologies, I should’ve answered your question. Just because you ignore any question posed to you doesn’t allow everyone else to do the same.
I disagree with that statement of Pope Leo. Thankfully, he spoke with true humility then, stating a caveat that he was not fully informed on the issue.
I agree with Pope Leo’s presumably better-informed position stated in Father’s post. It is in line with the approach of a sainted Pope and his trusted successor.
Side note: MT, I think you might be catching up with the fact that The Francis is dead, but now it seems like you need to catch up on the past year under Pope Leo. Or at least read the text of the post you’re commenting under.
Nick
Only the braindead and heterodox think Francis was a success!
The problem is not the orientations set forth by the Second Vatican Council regarding the Liturgy. The problem is that the new Mass, especially how it is celebrated, does respect those orientations.
Father Z in one sentence demolishes the Novus Bogus:
"People have been seriously abused by bishops who have a rigid view of forced uniformity of liturgical rites (which in the Novus Ordo is non-sensical and virtually impossible)"
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