The Cardinal laughed as he is prone to do and said, wow, that’s the cheap way to do it; I am still paying my tuition on it.
So the Doocy wedding with Catholic Peter ordained on line in some Protestant sect earns no rebuke but just a laugh and silly comment from the Cardinal.
Rome we have a problem. Celebrity clergy, to include Cardinals, cannot bring themselves to be serious about serious discipline issues in the Church.
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This is beyond disgusting. If there is any question as to why people are leaving the Catholic Church look no further than this. My heart breaks for the lost opportunity to discuss the beauty and sacredness of a "valid" Catholic marriage.
Dolan is a buffoon, a huge disappointment.
I hope a video will be placed on the Fox website later. To give Cardinal Dolan the benefit of the doubt, he may have been broadsided by the lighthearted way the three hosts of Fox and Friends goaded him about the Doocy wedding. He asked, first, about where Steve was and they, laughing, said he is in Florida because of his daughter's wedding and that Peter caught ordained a PRIEST to preside at the wedding of his sister. They called him Fr. Peter in a humorous sort of way. But clearly they were trying to provoke a reaction from the Cardinal and I presume that they must have heard from orthodox Catholics that this wedding was illicit and Peter's ordination a mockery.
The problem is that the Cardinal trying to be funny contributed to the denigration of two Sacraments now, Marriage and Holy Orders by making a silly comment about his ordination and having to still pay back his tuition, which of course isn't true, but that's not the point. He was being silly about something very serious in the Catholic Church, when Catholics mock two Sacraments intentionally or unintentionally.
This also causes people to wonder about Vatican II and what it has wrought in the clergy and laity.
I understand the charity in wanting to give him " the benefit of the doubt" but the good Cardinal I believe is too " media savy" to be broadsided. His choice was to go along with the mockery. And I do believe it was a choice. He makes those choices a lot in what seems to be the need to be the "class clown" to the detriment of true Catholic teaching. He needs to stop and get serious about his role in the Church or step down.
Dolan is purely a get along-guy in public. I recall once being at a Mass of his where an organization was being honored on an anniversary, and after Mass came the holy photo op where Dolan boomed, "oh, how I LUUUV (fill in the blank)!", and the organization members were eating it up.
Then Dolan moved to the next group "backstage" for a holy photo op, and boomed in full hearing of first group, "oh, how I LUUUV (fill in the blank)!", the looks on the faces of the first group were priceless.
Then he moved on to the third group, where I had already lost interest and already had chuckle for the day, and departed.
And the various groups were going to be happy, too, as they had their photos and Dolan quotes to put in their next fundraising letters, the same as if it had been the Pope doing the exact same thing, which is also a rather common thing.
That it turns out later one or two of the groups turned out to be advocates for unlimited thermonuclear war and bestiality simply goes with the turf for politicians shaking hands and kissing babies.
Here is Cardinal Dolan's appearance on FOX.
https://news.yahoo.com/timothy-cardinal-dolan-religions-role-115225358.html
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Well, Dolan might as well laugh because he is a joke... sorry, Eminence, but it’s time to stop laughing and start doing something seriously constructive about Church miseries.
His Eminence is a buffoon. I watched him when I lived in NY an was never really impressed.
What vows did the junior Doocey have to make to become ordained in the online church? Does that concern His Eminence? Was there no local magistrate available? The whole thing seems ludicrous.
Bee here:
I think in your first post about this you asked the question about whether the clergy and laity have lost the meaning of giving scandal. I think Cardinal Dolan's actions and words in this video have provided somewhat of an answer as to why this is happening.
God bless.
Bee
It does Rcg, but you are talking about a Cardinal who joked about singer Rhianna doing confirmations after seeing her costume at the Met Gala. With other priests. The disrespect is total and hidden behind a bufoons humor.
Bottom line: he doesn't seem to give a damn.
One thing you have to understand about Cardinal Dolan. He is a man with NO internal convictions. He is in need of constant adulation and admiration. He is narcissistic in the extreme. Of course he would see nothing wrong with "Father Peter" and then he would make a joke about it.
Dolan has been laughing for years as he closes parish after parish in New York that is no laughing matter Cardinal Dolan there is a problem about churches closing. I have never taken him seriously, all he does is laugh and laugh on every show he has appeared on, and I turn the station as soon as I see him, it's just embarrassing to watch him, he does not act as a Prince of the Church and never talks about the Roman Catholic faith never! But then again very few Bishops do ever talk about the faith, most are worried about fake climate change, illegal aliens, social justice, and other liberal ideas.
Cardinal Spellman was the last Archbishop of New York of any consequence.
Anonymous at 9:39 PM,
With the way the Catholic Church is doing in the US, there will likely be a huge downsizing, eliminating dioceses and bishops, returning some portions of the country to territorial status! Remember Detroit and Philadelphia used to have a cardinal.
I was confirmed by Dolan as an adult. I'll always remember when approaching him to receive the sacrament him looking at my bald/shaved head, chuckling, and saying I looked like a good target before slathering me with a rediculous amount of Chrism.
I remember feeling like my emotions that day were all wrong. I was verging on tears of joy since I really wanted to be confirmed and he was acting like it was a nothing that needed to be joked about to make it special.
TJM, Spellman has been accused of groping young males and may have been a patrone of McCarrick, who himself did not rise to power in a vacuum, and even Spellman had sponsors and patrones. This goes waaay back. Even in the 1950s, the underground gay movement knew of seminaries which were places to be.
Anon@859.....nothing worse than a get-along-boy who is the life of the fund raising cocktail party among the wealthy, administering a most serious sacrament in a manner turning a moment of deep joy into one of smouldering anger at flippancy.
Narcissist certainly is a word which comes to mind. However, the folk with money very much like the droll, and so the show must go on.
Spellman is innocent until proven guilty. There are many false accusations that destroy priests' reputations both in life and in death. We should not contribute to it until a definite verdict is passed for a clergyman dead or alive.
In terms of making any sacrament of moment of levity, it should be condemned roundly by the CDF as they did with invalid formulas for baptism on Thursday. My former bishop would ask our confirmandi questions as they approached for the Chrismation. Often it turned into bantering with the confirmation candidate and laughter from him and the congregation. It was and is horrible. It would be like a priest offering a child his first Holy Communion and being asked light hearted questions about the Lord and then giving him Holy Communion.
Yes, extroverts like it as they like being entertained, introverts and insecure kids are horrified. Some children did not want to be confirmed because of it and I can't blame them.
Anonymous at 9:18 AM,
Cardinal Spellman died in 1967, McCarrick became an auxiliary bishop in NY in 1977, so I seriously doubt Cardinal Spellman had anything to do with McCarrick's advancement. Nice try, though.
I think that clergy on the parochial and leadership level have to be outgoing. For those who are naturally extroverted, it is easy. Introverts have to work at being extroverted and it is emotionally exhausting, take it from one who knows.
The problem is with the naturally extroverted. They like parties and being the life of the party and often the center of attention. Extroversion's dark side is narcissism. Thus an extroverted clergyman uses every opportunity he has to be extroverted, outgoing, playful and gregarious, even the sacred rites of the Church are used for their needs in this regard, their narcissism.
I think Archbishop Fulton Sheen was a "redeemed" extrovert. He was popular, outgoing and funny but deadly serious about Church belief and practices. No foolishness there whatsoever or pathological narcissism.
I think you have hit the nail on the head Father. Great description of Dolan and many others as evidenced by the Steve Martin impersonating dancing priest!
I see I neglected to say a patrone of McCarrick patrones, the allegations against Spellman have been longstanding, interviews were conducted of accusers by news organizations as well as a biographer, the offending passages were expunged under tremendous pressure from the Archdiocese of NY, and everybody knows there will never be an investigation and pronouncement of guilt by a competent authority this late in history on which to rely before speaking of this matter.
Anonymous 6:10,
Although McCarrick was ordained by Cardinal Spellman he almost immediately left the Archdiocese for assignments outside the Archdiocese. Cardinal Cook invited McCarrick back in 1969, 2 years after Spellman’s death, so perhaps it was Cook who was his patron. Do you believe the gossip about Paul VI being an active homosexual too?
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